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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's Jeanne Steinem well it was a

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fascinating week last week with Chris

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Lambright and of course the inimitable

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race Stanford and I had a comment from

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one of our listeners suggesting that ray

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talks a little bit too fast what do you

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think Chris well that's you know he's an

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excitable guy he gets he gets animated

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and excited about his work and I'm able

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to keep up with them so you know what

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can I say he's trying to get as much

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information out to the audience as

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possible so he can't can't fault him for

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that also he may figure the fact that

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he's an older gentleman and he doesn't

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have as much time as the rest of us so

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he has to get in everything as quickly

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as he can well I think most of us just

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excitement you know raise a very

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dedicated guy and and he doesn't get a

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chance you know to share with a large

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audience his insights into his work and

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it's I think this is gonna change real

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soon I have a real real good feeling

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about that now one of the other issues

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raised by some of our listeners over at

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the power cast forums at forum dr. Peric

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ask.com

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is the matter of where's the evidence

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and I'll give you a background of this

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like a couple of three years ago we had

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on Ted Phillips who was investigated

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reports of UFO and paranormal activity

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in the Marley Woods area in the Midwest

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he said he was putting up a website

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where he'd present a lot of this

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information now he got a rudimentary

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website up and then everything just

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disappeared it's so longer up there so

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he never followed up and people were

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naturally concerned so don't make

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promises you know sure don't make

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promises you can't keep

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and the other one I guess is the one

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that some people may want to pick with

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ray Stanford is he said on the show that

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he was going to work with you to deliver

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digital copies of his

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log cassette tapes of one of his key

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sightings so you can actually hear what

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was going on what he experienced and

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that didn't happen no no I just he

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didn't think it was compelling enough so

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he just said ah forget about it

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what am I gonna do go fly out there to

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DC and uh break his door down no no ray

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isn't in this field for

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self-aggrandizement or fame or fortune

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he's in for the science and he's not

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interested in creating some sort of cult

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of personality around himself based on

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his work and he's only interested in

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furthering our scientific knowledge and

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YouTube and all these places that people

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want ray to put his evidence it just

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doesn't work that way in the real world

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of scientific investigation and research

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you present to your peers or to

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particular field the scientific

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hypothesis that you've come up with and

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you show your your you know your

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corroborating evidence and your evidence

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that supports your your hypothesis he

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doesn't care about anybody else's

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expectations he realizes that so many

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people have been programmed with a 1950s

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sci-fi view of UFOs that oftentimes what

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people think are UFOs aren't UFOs at all

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it's just it's just hoaxes and and billy

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meier beam ships and adaps hubcaps with

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ping-pong balls and you know people just

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don't understand that's what they expect

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to see from Ray's films and

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unfortunately that's not what you're

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gonna see you're gonna you're gonna see

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very long cylindrical objects that have

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other objects docking beneath them

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shooting out other objects I've seen

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stills from the from these films I'm

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very very confident they're very very

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soon we are going to see a major

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announcement from mr. Stanford about his

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work and about the acceptance of his

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analytical process by mainstream science

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you mark my words on that well that I

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think is going to be very helpful

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because I understand why people are

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skeptical you know they say well

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everybody has the evidence up there if

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you have all this compelling evidence

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that you say you have where is it if you

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the book that Chris Lambright wrote

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while the book only has paintings

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illustrations of what they really look

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like you can't tell so I understand I've

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seen the original photographs gene in

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Para cast listeners I have seen sure

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these still frames I've seen sequences

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of frames I've seen some some films some

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of the early films again ray is not out

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to woo the crowd too late everybody

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create a call to personality create a

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buzz around him and his work he is very

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quietly doing the heavy lifting the

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heavy scientific analytical work that is

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going to be presented to the proper

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experts in the in the fields of magneto

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hydrodynamics and diagnostic propulsions

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and optical physics he doesn't care

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about the g-wiz factor because what

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people expect to see from UFOs does not

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conform to reality in the science of it

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them I'm sorry so I support him I'm his

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biggest fan I've worked to them going on

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eight years I've written his entire life

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life story down it's still remains

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unpublished because he doesn't feel

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there's really any need to put it out

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right now he's not back on the map so

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you know if everybody is is so caught up

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in this whole ego gratification thing in

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this gratification of seeing a UFO you

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know film or or you know a really good

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photograph I mean you know you're just

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gonna have to wait it deserves to be

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seen by mainstream science first and

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then you guys will get to see it sorry

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we look forward to hearing more although

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it would help to see maybe an occasional

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photograph give people I'll see if I can

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squirrel one out that would help they

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don't have to see the entire film if

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there's a legitimate scientific reason

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for it I don't pretend to understand

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what he's doing other than what he tells

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us sure go to Washington DC you'll spend

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two days with you and go through his

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entire his entire presentation that's

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taking him ten years to put together

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he's willing to do that not charge you

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if you have a real genuine need to know

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and a you

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I'm fairly up to speed understanding of

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basic physics and especially especially

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some of the concepts he talks about if

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you're gonna be able to keep up with him

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then you'll have the joy ride of your

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life

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raise the real deal no one comes close

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in the field to Rey and you know I'm

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sorry I keep sounding like I'm an

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apologist for race Stanford I'm not I

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want to see him get the films out too I

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want to see all this stuff out there I

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want to see him vindicated instead of

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all these boo birds like Angelo like

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like Lance some of these people are on

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our forums it just you know it doesn't

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matter what it is they're gonna find

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something to complain and about

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and when it comes to ray I don't care

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I've seen the goods I know what he's got

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I want science to recognize this man's

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monumental achievement in the scientific

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community as a relates UFOs and it is

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going to happen well I hope it happens

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soon I'm certainly very curious but we

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have something that we're also would

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like to see happen someday in the future

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which is of course disclosure I'm

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skeptical of it I know Chris is but you

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participated with our guest this week in

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documentary film about disclosure we

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discussed it a few weeks ago when we

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were meeting up over at the

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International UFO Congress just outside

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of Scottsdale Arizona and now this we

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will call the sequel a much more

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detailed sequel tell us about it well we

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have Ron James from the paranormal Media

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Group who's here visiting Arizona were

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at the tail end of a shoot we're doing a

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Hollywood it's a demo for a TV show that

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we're proposing and we're actually gonna

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get an entire I think episode out of the

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chute which has been going on all week

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but what makes it interesting and I

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think really kind of is a lot of fun for

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me as is we're shooting in 3d we've had

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three 3d cameras that we've been

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utilizing for this particular project

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and it's it's much more difficult to

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shoot with 3d have handcuffs on in terms

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of some camera motion and other things

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Ron and I have worked together now going

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on eight years seven eight years it's

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it's been a an up-and-down ride with him

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he's out in LA now we're gonna talk

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about a number of projects that we've

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been involved with over the years

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including the disclosure dialogues and

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in the you know the documentary film

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that won the heebies this year yeah it

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could happen tomorrow but Ron is a real

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visionary filmmaker he's very interested

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in bringing conscious media to the

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masses trying to break through some of

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the the crotch oriented just very

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shallow media that this country is

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becoming more more known for that could

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be another show yeah really could be so

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we have Ron James joining us coming up

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next on the pair of cast you know we

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with gene and Chris and the power cast

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we're talking about filmmaking in a

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sense but it's filmmaking about stuff

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that concerns our fields of interest

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we're focusing on a film that producer

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Ron James did with Chris which is called

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it could happen tomorrow which is based

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on a five DVD set called the disclosure

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dialogues kind of coalescing everything

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giving us a great summary it won this

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year's EBE Awards at the International

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UFO conference so this is an award

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winning film that you two guys put

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together Chris why don't we have you and

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Ron explain the background and where we

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take it yeah Ron why don't you go ahead

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and just kind of lay out how that how

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the whole project actually was

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envisioned and give us a an idea the

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difficulties of pinning down all these

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eminent ufologists for the project yeah

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you know this whole project started in

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Laughlin about three years ago and we

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lost win by the way is Laughlin Nevada

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okay okay it's where people go when you

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first get into Nevada on the way to Las

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Vegas coming from in the West that's

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where you show up Congress so originally

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until two years ago moving to Phoenix

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the International UFO Congress was

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always at the Aquarius in Laughlin

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Nevada so it was the the largest UFO

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type gathering and that's where it was

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headquartered and so we were there

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looking to shoot interviews with some of

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the luminaries of the field and we had a

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little studio set up in one of the rooms

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and we ran into a woman named Jennifer

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Stein who is very active in MUFON and

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she was also trying to shoot there and

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she asked to borrow some equipment we

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all started talking about how really

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what we're doing is all about creating

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information and getting it out to people

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and we decided to work together and

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share our resources so before the event

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was over we've gotten some really good

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interviews with people like Richard

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Dolan and paul davids and Steve Bassett

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and Danny Sheehan and we had a instead

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of just sitting them down in front of a

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curtain and just interviewing them by

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asking them questions we actually sat

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them down with each other

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we set up three cameras and we filmed

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their conversation and this was Jennifer

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Stein's idea and what happened was a

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really unique synthesis of information

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because you can go to a to an event like

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this and you can listen to the people

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the presentations on the stage and you

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can talk to him afterwards and you can

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buy their books but very very rarely in

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fact probably not not really before we

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did this has anybody had the opportunity

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to be a fly on the wall so to speak when

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these two people sit down quietly away

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from the crowds and compare notes and

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let me ask a quick question Ron just a

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fast question here don't mean to

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interrupt

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do they even ever talk to each other

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about these matters know each other you

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know there's some friendships that are

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more solid than others but there's

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different people doing different things

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but all doing the same thing like for

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instance Danny Xie and Stephen Bassett

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Danny Sheehan has a you know he's an

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attorney and he's and he's got a very

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clear-cut way that he sees as a path to

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disclosure

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whereas Stephen Bassett everybody knows

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is an activist he's very loud he's he's

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antagonizing the government constantly

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about why are you not disclosing you

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must disclose we're gonna send you a

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million faxes we're going to do this

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we're going to do that and you know the

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two of them in many ways are

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diametrically opposed on their approach

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to disclosure so when you sit those two

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guys down and have them actually talking

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to each other about the the whole

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situation you really end up with a very

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very interesting conversation so do

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these people talk to each other of

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course when speakers are at an event

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they're sitting behind the stage in the

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greenroom they're invited to the

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speaker's dinners there's all kinds of

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events that happen with these guys you

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know where they're they're invited to go

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places and gather it's away from the

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crowd that comes and witnesses the event

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so certainly the the people with the

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speaker badges are always comparing

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notes and talking to each other and

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shaking hands and and exchanging email

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addresses and so what we've done with

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this film is allow anybody who wants to

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share in that the opportunity to be in

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on the private conversations among the

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greatest luminaries of the field so we

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have a situation here where they're

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going to have a conversation anyway

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we're listening in to see what they have

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to say now in this kind of discussion

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where we have people like a Stephen

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Bassett for example who is obviously an

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activist and somebody we've basically

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confronted a few times on the fara caste

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the issue here when he talks to somebody

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who has a different point of view are

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you hearing those differences expressed

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in the course of this documentary yeah

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in fact not to keep mentioning Stephen

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Bassett but that's okay that's just

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where he and paul davids the producer of

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Roswell they sit down and have a

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conversation about the history of

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government collusion and the mainstream

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media and the history of any cover-up

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we're a basket of course is absolutely

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convinced that there's been collusion

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with the government all the way from the

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very first UFO movies made back in the

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early days all the way till now with

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avatar and that some kind of disclosure

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is consciously happening and then you

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know paul davids will say well you know

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I just don't really believe that I I

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don't think that there's some kind of

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government people controlling what

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Hollywood makes and what they say and

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and both of them have a really really

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good point and and so it's a fascinating

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conversation to watch yeah and I agree

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and sitting down as I did at some point

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I was brought into the to the process

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down the road apiece after a lot of

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these interviews had been conducted you

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know reviewing all these dialogues it

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was very interesting to see how each of

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these investigators had to own kind of

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take on the subject and have their own

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personal bias when it comes to to some

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pretty key points and that is is there a

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government cover-up how much does the

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government actually know is there some

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sort of collusion with the media with

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you know various cultural ways of

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disseminating these types of this type

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of information and in it to me it was

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fascinating to see how each of these

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individuals who are very very

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knowledgeable obviously in the subject

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matter how their own personal personal

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feelings about it did diverge and it was

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very interesting to see the repartee and

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and how the dialogues actually unfold

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based on the subject matter that some of

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these people are very passionate about

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course Steven Bassett as most of us know

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is very very passionate about about this

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Exopolitics and disclosure and and there

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were a number of people that were in the

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the piece that did it felt that this is

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all a pipe chain and me being one of

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them I was one of three or four

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dissenting voices in the piece and it's

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very interesting to see how these

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differences are presented to one another

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and then and then how they come to a

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common point of understanding in some

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cases agreeing to disagree but I saw

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some mines being subtly swayed through

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the course of these of these dialogues

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and that to me was a very fascinating

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you know I'm gonna raise that question

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for you and we're going to have a do or

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break in a moment but maybe frame this

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question first and then you consider it

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okay so we have these dialogues and as

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the title says disclose your dialogues

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you're talking about the subject about

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the best ways to approach it getting

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different points of view and you suggest

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during the course of this that mines

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were being changed in some fashion so

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maybe in our next segment let's talk

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about who might have changed their

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viewpoint maybe more than one person

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because of the things they learn or

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discussed during these dialogues on

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disclosure we're talking with producer

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Chris you're in the para cast we have

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producer Ron James conscious media

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producer as a matter of fact before we

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discuss that question about minds that

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changed Ron what does conscious media

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producer mean well you know my basic

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definition of conscious media is media

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products that are designed to educate

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and enlighten and enrich beyond just

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media products that are designed to

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simply entertain from a cold day in

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Panama City during spring break Panama

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City Florida where I was filming MTV

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Spring Break wet t-shirt contests I've

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made a decision that I wanted to do

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something more with my video production

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career than create just mindless

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entertainment and so since then I've

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produced probably a hundred different

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DVDs all in the subjects of metaphysics

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new science contemporary health and

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nutrition and just worked with the

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luminaries of the fields in fact last

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week I did a project with Barbara Marx

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Hubbard I'm getting ready to start one

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that Marianne Williamson has involved in

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I've worked with just a lot of people

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that are that are very well known a lot

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of people that are that are shedding

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light on the planet people often ask me

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how come I also do this paranormal stuff

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in addition to all the quote-unquote

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spiritual work that I do my answer is

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very simple it's all the same stuff when

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we begin to uncover the nuts and bolts

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of what manifests paranormal phenomenon

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we are going to discover the nuts and

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bolts of what makes our reality if we're

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able to prove the existence of something

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beyond our sight in our mind that is a

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living thing

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and in essence prove life after death or

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at least life beyond the veil we have

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accomplished something that religion and

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science have been trying to do ever

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since the dawn of man so the paranormal

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phenomenon is all tied in with

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everything that we're beginning to

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understand

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about our world and our reality now you

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did mention by the way Ron that you did

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stuff that you call mindless like what

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just curious

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well you know back when I first got

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started in video I was doing a lot of

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commercials if I was making TV

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commercials for everything from used-car

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Lots to hoist er houses and then you

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know obviously I worked on shows like a

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you know MTV Spring Break I worked on

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hgtv's dream home I worked with Steve

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Irwin on the Crocodile Hunter and what I

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mean by that is that there's a lot of

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shows that they're only there to

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entertain for instance there was a time

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when I was doing a project with dolphins

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and it was beautiful video of dolphins

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and I thought you know how cool would it

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be to bring some say Sports Illustrated

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Swimsuit models to the Bahamas and have

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them swim with the dolphins and document

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how they are transformed by the

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experience way you know really portray

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through beautiful people the spiritual

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experience of swimming with the dolphins

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it's putting a human face on it not just

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something for commercial purposes yeah

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and you know basically have some meaning

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in the production and the reaction that

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I got was you know we're not that

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interested in in swimsuit models having

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spiritual experiences but if you're out

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there shooting it and one of them gets

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bitten by a shark we want that and maybe

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they're their swimsuit falls off we can

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have a Janet Jackson moment but the

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bottom line is is that traditionally the

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mainstream media the people that are in

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the business of selling toilet paper

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coca-cola and Doritos they do not want

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to stick their toes into the waters of

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transformation they really just have

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very happy with the status quo and so

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are their sponsors okay so the one thing

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I mentioned in the previous segment and

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this is something perhaps that you can

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go into the question which was alluded

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to I guess by Chris and that is minds

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that may have been changed during the

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course of this disclosure dialogue

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recession people considering their

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opinions and maybe modifying their

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stances you know one comes to mind it's

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very dramatic and that is when Richard

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Dolan who is obviously the author with

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bright label of today after disclosure

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and a lot of other books and he's a very

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renowned historian in the UFO field and

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00:31:12,740 --> 00:31:10,710
of course Danny Sheehan is the Jesuit

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attorney who has been in front of the

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Supreme Court and is constantly working

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between the religious

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establishment and the legal realm to

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forward disclosure on a grassroots look

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basis he's got a very different approach

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to disclosure he's got a very different

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feel about how it could be accomplished

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and what's necessary and by the time it

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was done Richard during the interview

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actually says you know what Danny I've

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never really thought about what you're

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saying in a way that that's practical

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but hearing you tell me about it I

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really get it and Danny's thing is that

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in order to prepare humanity for

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00:31:48,690 --> 00:31:46,960
disclosure we should begin on a

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grassroots level starting with the

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churches and starting with the social

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organizations and communities where we

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have people that are kind of paving the

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00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:56,350
way for the information to come out you

781
00:32:00,240 --> 00:31:58,090
can watch through this interview where

782
00:32:02,250 --> 00:32:00,250
you know Richards not really that on

783
00:32:03,930 --> 00:32:02,260
board with that as it gets to the end

784
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:03,940
they're actually talking about working

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00:32:07,650 --> 00:32:05,890
together so this is one of those rare

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moments and we build a disclosure

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dialogues as a historical achievement

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00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:11,650
the reason we do that is because there

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will come a time when when we already

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know that we're part of a galactic

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family and people will look back at the

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00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:19,810
definitive works that marked milestones

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in the process and this will stand out

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as one of those things the cast of

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characters just about anybody who's

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anybody in the field from dr. Edgar

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00:32:32,850 --> 00:32:30,070
Mitchell did George Knapp George Noory

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Richard Dolan obviously Nick Pope Peter

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00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:36,100
Robbins Stan Romanek Jennifer Stein Gary

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00:32:41,370 --> 00:32:38,650
Heseltine Paula Harris we just have

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00:32:43,530 --> 00:32:41,380
Linda Moulton Howe everybody is in it

802
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:43,540
and they're all well not quite everybody

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00:32:48,660 --> 00:32:46,210
there's three notable absent T's there's

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three notables that we left out for our

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00:32:54,690 --> 00:32:51,940
own reasons but we consider that it is

806
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very broad banded with a huge amount of

807
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:56,800
relevant people hey Chris I think he

808
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:01,120
wants to know who you left out Alfred

809
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Weber I really ala Steven Greer Hanson

810
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you know it's just in in order I think

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Michael Sala Alfred Weber and Steven

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Greer are not included in the piece I'm

813
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:18,910
not sure we they were invited I think

814
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weren't they were on or what we did

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invite even and we did invite yeah I

816
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:26,200
mean I don't really want to say anything

817
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about why people are not in it just some

818
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people turned us down and so

819
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people we decided we did agree to where

820
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they're going with their things just

821
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didn't really fit the song now I gather

822
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then of course that in making these

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decisions you wanted to get a wide range

824
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of viewpoints covering a fairly wide

825
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spectrum of opinions about disclosure

826
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wasn't just taking the people that may

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fit into a specific litmus test but

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taking people whose opinions might be

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considered more extreme well you know

830
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extreme opinions are one thing that

831
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people that are taking positions that

832
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just absolutely do not stand up to any

833
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kind of sound science whatsoever and

834
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advocating you mean like Alford Weber

835
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well you know I'm not really gonna

836
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:09,550
mention names but sure I mean this is a

837
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guy who points at rocks and says that

838
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there's a these are people walking on

839
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the surface of Mars and you know maybe

840
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but the analysis does not bear that out

841
00:34:22,860 --> 00:34:21,100
and you know other carry other people

842
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are just very very controversial and how

843
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they've conducted themselves and they're

844
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and and represented their credentials

845
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and we feel like the people that we have

846
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in this film are very solid people with

847
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with integrity and we just wanted that

848
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to be the the cast of people that were

849
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involved now when you look for

850
00:34:41,550 --> 00:34:39,879
disclosure this is another devil's

851
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advocate question that we can explore

852
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when you look at disclosure or mentioned

853
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disclosure obviously there's an

854
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assumption that the governments of our

855
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planet specifically the US government

856
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has something they can disclose they

857
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know something they have guilty

858
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knowledge of what UFOs are and we

859
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deserve the right to know what that

860
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information is and that could be of

861
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course more than just a sort discussion

862
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it's a very extensive discussion about

863
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what did they know and when did they

864
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know it so is that part of the argument

865
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that you've had to first say we assume

866
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they know something now let's discuss

867
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how we get the information where is that

868
00:35:26,490 --> 00:35:24,430
going too far no not at all as a matter

869
00:35:29,310 --> 00:35:26,500
of fact you know George Knapp and George

870
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Noory both George Knapp comes right out

871
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in the during his piece where I'm

872
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personally interviewing him and him and

873
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I are talking and he says you know I'm

874
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not sure they know what there is to

875
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disclose we have Colonel John Alexander

876
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is that right Chris yeah yeah he makes

877
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an appearance where

878
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I don't think there's anything to

879
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disclose George Noory says the same

880
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thing he not only feels like even if

881
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,770
they did know stuff disclosures is

882
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:52,560
probably not going to happen and that

883
00:35:57,450 --> 00:35:55,330
maybe they just don't know and so

884
00:36:00,030 --> 00:35:57,460
there's plenty of people in this in this

885
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production with the opinion that you

886
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know maybe the government just doesn't

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really know anything maybe they know

888
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more than they're telling us but maybe

889
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they know less than we think and and so

890
00:36:11,730 --> 00:36:09,460
this is a very well-balanced piece we

891
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spared no journalistic integrity and

892
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putting it out and allowing all the

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viewpoints to come out and you know

894
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Chris was very largely responsible for

895
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filtering that stuff out and making sure

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that we presented both sides of the

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story that's why Chris is here one of

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the very key regions plusses expertise

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hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

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into the para cast let me tell you what

1014
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you're gonna hear stuff here that you

1015
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probably won't hear anywhere else the

1016
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subject of disclosure front and center

1017
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because of that film it could happen

1018
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tomorrow based on the disclosure

1019
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dialogue the five DVD set Ron James

1020
00:41:27,170 --> 00:41:25,079
joining gene and Chris and the para cast

1021
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and I'm asking a lot of questions I

1022
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think I hope it will whet the appetite

1023
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of people to buy the five DVD set which

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is what $30 yeah

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it's pretty cheap I mean it's like Mad

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Magazine used to say our price cheap 30

1027
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:43,710
bucks for five DVDs is cheap well you

1028
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know a lot of times especially in these

1029
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:47,339
specialty fields when filmmakers go out

1030
00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:49,650
and make a product then they're like oh

1031
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:50,760
they're just doing this to make money

1032
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and you know what I'll be the first to

1033
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say and let me just say it yeah

1034
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filmmakers need to make money they need

1035
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to make money to produce their next film

1036
00:42:02,029 --> 00:42:00,180
they need to make money to pay all those

1037
00:42:05,029 --> 00:42:02,039
air fares you know things that is three

1038
00:42:07,970 --> 00:42:05,039
years to produce and so the idea that

1039
00:42:10,220 --> 00:42:07,980
for some reason there's some kind of bad

1040
00:42:11,690 --> 00:42:10,230
motivation behind wanting to create a

1041
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:11,700
film and get paid for it

1042
00:42:16,220 --> 00:42:14,400
I'm just cooling that right away also

1043
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you have to pay the rent you have to pay

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00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,089
for the next meal you have to pay the

1045
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electric bill do they expect people to

1046
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work free hey we're in

1047
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wealthy we've got Bob Bigelow behind us

1048
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and therefore we can do anything Steven

1049
00:42:30,740 --> 00:42:28,289
Spielberg sent me a check for a hundred

1050
00:42:32,539 --> 00:42:30,750
million go make a film right and for

1051
00:42:34,759 --> 00:42:32,549
some reason people tend to look down

1052
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their noses and you hear the comments

1053
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all the time oh you just you just spit

1054
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that out for the bucks so you know let

1055
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me just tell everybody on behalf of all

1056
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filmmakers everywhere one none of us are

1057
00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:45,420
getting rich doing this even though

1058
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we're charging money for what we do we

1059
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are doing it because it's a labor of

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love and to the fact that there's

1061
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already a huge number a couple at least

1062
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of very unscrupulous distributors that

1063
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take films from people and make more

1064
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money than they have it well off their

1065
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films it's very very difficult in this

1066
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business to even pay for your next song

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and that being said what we did with the

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disclosure dialogues it's a five disc

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set it's 12 hours of material it has the

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fully produced documentary that won the

1071
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that won the EBE Awards at one People's

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Choice and Best Film and not only are we

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selling that for 2995 which is a half of

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what we could be getting it for but

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we're also giving away a bunch of free

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stuff when you go to the website you can

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this week I think it's a it's a free

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interview with dr. Roger Leir and his

1079
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subject that he's gotten a lot of

1080
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evidence from so nobody's trying to get

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rich off of this we want all of you to

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be able to get your own copy and you can

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do that at paranormal Media Group com

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but that's up that's what we're that's

1085
00:43:51,980 --> 00:43:50,279
our philosophy behind the film we have

1086
00:43:53,150 --> 00:43:51,990
to cover our cost but we want everybody

1087
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,160
to be able to get one

1088
00:43:57,319 --> 00:43:55,440
so you give spare value we'll give a lot

1089
00:43:59,299 --> 00:43:57,329
of value for what you're selling and you

1090
00:44:01,549 --> 00:43:59,309
get I guess minimal profits I mean how

1091
00:44:04,759 --> 00:44:01,559
much profit can you make from 29.95 and

1092
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:04,769
five DVDs you can well it's not huge but

1093
00:44:08,180 --> 00:44:06,450
the fact of the matter is we want

1094
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:08,190
everybody to have one we don't want

1095
00:44:11,450 --> 00:44:09,450
people to think well you know I'd like

1096
00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:11,460
to have it but it's too expensive so

1097
00:44:14,990 --> 00:44:13,380
yeah I mean we're not we're gonna have

1098
00:44:16,970 --> 00:44:15,000
to sell I think we're gonna have to sell

1099
00:44:18,589 --> 00:44:16,980
like almost 5,000 of them to make up and

1100
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:18,599
that's gonna be very very difficult to

1101
00:44:22,099 --> 00:44:20,730
do now I understand people will have to

1102
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:22,109
understand the economics here the

1103
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:25,500
situation in the UFO field paranormal

1104
00:44:31,339 --> 00:44:28,890
studies very few books and multimedia

1105
00:44:34,650 --> 00:44:31,349
presentations become bestsellers and

1106
00:44:37,230 --> 00:44:34,660
sell 5 million copies it doesn't happen

1107
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:37,240
most of the UFO books you read they're

1108
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:39,370
lucky to earn out which means they're

1109
00:44:43,980 --> 00:44:42,610
lucky to recoup the advance if you can

1110
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:43,990
get one so you got a few thousand

1111
00:44:48,330 --> 00:44:46,000
dollars for that I made a lot more money

1112
00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:48,340
writing books about personal computers

1113
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:50,350
and Technology than I ever could have

1114
00:44:55,110 --> 00:44:52,810
earned as a UFO book author except for

1115
00:44:57,720 --> 00:44:55,120
just a very few books and the case of

1116
00:44:59,400 --> 00:44:57,730
the disclosure dialogues I don't want

1117
00:45:02,760 --> 00:44:59,410
him to sell five thousand be nice we

1118
00:45:04,020 --> 00:45:02,770
sold 50,000 Oh we'd love to you know the

1119
00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:04,030
five thousand number is what it'll take

1120
00:45:09,690 --> 00:45:06,550
to break even but you know I have to say

1121
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:09,700
that I've had five films in the EBE

1122
00:45:14,490 --> 00:45:12,610
Awards no I'm sorry for one year I had

1123
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:14,500
two at the same time and that was the

1124
00:45:19,740 --> 00:45:16,090
last year they were in Laughlin Nevada

1125
00:45:22,860 --> 00:45:19,750
every day did I come into my office and

1126
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:22,870
I look up at those two alien statues yes

1127
00:45:27,300 --> 00:45:24,850
if I never saw another copy it's

1128
00:45:30,030 --> 00:45:27,310
worthwhile I mean I know that they

1129
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:30,040
thought the Academy Awards but it was an

1130
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:32,290
award I really wanted to win and so

1131
00:45:38,940 --> 00:45:35,970
there's certainly a large amount of

1132
00:45:40,890 --> 00:45:38,950
personal satisfaction in doing this kind

1133
00:45:41,460 --> 00:45:40,900
of work and actually getting recognized

1134
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:41,470
for it

1135
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:44,170
now in putting all this stuff together I

1136
00:45:48,090 --> 00:45:45,730
guess the other question would be asked

1137
00:45:50,610 --> 00:45:48,100
here and that is what's on the cutting

1138
00:45:55,350 --> 00:45:50,620
room floor what didn't you have time to

1139
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:55,360
put in a good question I wanted to put

1140
00:46:00,930 --> 00:45:56,650
on the cutting room floor that's in

1141
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:00,940
there there's a couple of interviews

1142
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:03,130
that didn't make it the the one that we

1143
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:05,110
shot was Roger Leir and his person

1144
00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:06,400
didn't make it into this production

1145
00:46:11,250 --> 00:46:09,550
because they didn't really talk too much

1146
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:11,260
about disclosure so that's why we're

1147
00:46:14,850 --> 00:46:13,510
giving it away as an extra there was a

1148
00:46:17,460 --> 00:46:14,860
couple of other interviews that didn't

1149
00:46:18,990 --> 00:46:17,470
get in there's a lot of single person

1150
00:46:20,430 --> 00:46:19,000
interviews like we have a full length

1151
00:46:21,630 --> 00:46:20,440
interview with Edgar Mitchell we have a

1152
00:46:23,070 --> 00:46:21,640
full length interview with Stanton

1153
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:23,080
Friedman they have a full length

1154
00:46:27,450 --> 00:46:25,210
interview with just a boatload of people

1155
00:46:29,940 --> 00:46:27,460
I can't even name that we're just saving

1156
00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:29,950
for something else they all make cameo

1157
00:46:34,830 --> 00:46:31,720
appearances but the full-length piece is

1158
00:46:38,060 --> 00:46:34,840
not included here so maybe you can have

1159
00:46:40,590 --> 00:46:38,070
like a disclosure dialogues take two

1160
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:40,600
quite possibly there's people talking to

1161
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:42,910
us about that and then also I'm sure

1162
00:46:46,410 --> 00:46:44,770
we'll put a compilation DVD together at

1163
00:46:48,420 --> 00:46:46,420
some point what we're doing with with

1164
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:48,430
our sales efforts is about ever

1165
00:46:53,130 --> 00:46:50,410
month we change we change it up and we

1166
00:46:54,750 --> 00:46:53,140
offer something else as a bonus so like

1167
00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:54,760
right now if you go to paranormal Media

1168
00:46:59,310 --> 00:46:57,250
Group calm you can order that you'll get

1169
00:47:01,590 --> 00:46:59,320
the Roger Leir piece and then you can

1170
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:01,600
also order a bonus pack it's only 20

1171
00:47:06,330 --> 00:47:03,970
bucks more and you get the DVD I deal

1172
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:06,340
with David Icke you get chris's secrets

1173
00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:08,800
of the mysterious valley DVD and you get

1174
00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:10,390
I think in search of the Crystal Skull

1175
00:47:14,490 --> 00:47:12,310
so you get like you know almost a

1176
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:14,500
hundred bucks worth of DVDs for sort of

1177
00:47:19,290 --> 00:47:17,110
half of that what's that site address I

1178
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:19,300
want our listeners to hear that pardon

1179
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:21,970
me what is that website again oh it's a

1180
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,930
paranormal media group calm okay when

1181
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:27,520
Chris and I had produced probably five

1182
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:28,810
or six films together and they're all

1183
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:31,090
available on there really great prizes

1184
00:47:35,340 --> 00:47:33,310
and we like to play we like to package

1185
00:47:37,020 --> 00:47:35,350
stuff together and offer people packages

1186
00:47:39,630 --> 00:47:37,030
you know it's like oh two films and a

1187
00:47:41,580 --> 00:47:39,640
free CD for X with free shipping you

1188
00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:41,590
know just whatever whatever it takes to

1189
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:43,630
get them out there now what kind of

1190
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:45,010
reaction have you had people who

1191
00:47:50,420 --> 00:47:47,050
borrowed already and people who've seen

1192
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:50,430
the film what if they said about it

1193
00:47:56,610 --> 00:47:54,010
I mean did win the People's Choice Award

1194
00:47:58,890 --> 00:47:56,620
at the at the EBE Awards and people come

1195
00:48:01,740 --> 00:47:58,900
up to us privately and they tell us that

1196
00:48:03,210 --> 00:48:01,750
it's a very definitive collection it's

1197
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:03,220
been through a couple of iterations I

1198
00:48:07,950 --> 00:48:05,200
think before we did the final cut it was

1199
00:48:09,540 --> 00:48:07,960
running a little bit long and so you

1200
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:09,550
know we people would be like oh it's a

1201
00:48:14,250 --> 00:48:12,130
little bit long but you know we trimmed

1202
00:48:15,810 --> 00:48:14,260
it down and we we redid the Edit a few

1203
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:15,820
times we listened to what people said

1204
00:48:19,860 --> 00:48:17,680
and now we've got what we think is a

1205
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:19,870
pretty good main song so this becomes

1206
00:48:23,220 --> 00:48:22,000
take two yeah I think that I think the

1207
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:23,230
version that's out right now is like

1208
00:48:28,830 --> 00:48:25,450
version three we premiered the very

1209
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:28,840
first version at MUFON and that was very

1210
00:48:33,570 --> 00:48:31,570
well received there and then we we did

1211
00:48:35,010 --> 00:48:33,580
Jennifer and Chris and I sat down and

1212
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:35,020
had a conference and we ended up doing a

1213
00:48:39,540 --> 00:48:37,210
final director's cut which is what is

1214
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:39,550
being released now and what you get now

1215
00:48:46,140 --> 00:48:43,330
is the it's the EBE award edition so it

1216
00:48:48,650 --> 00:48:46,150
has the awards on the cover and it's got

1217
00:48:51,150 --> 00:48:48,660
everything's been remastered and redone

1218
00:48:52,170 --> 00:48:51,160
and so it's a special edition and I

1219
00:48:53,850 --> 00:48:52,180
think we're going to make a hundred of

1220
00:48:56,490 --> 00:48:53,860
those before we go back to the original

1221
00:48:58,890 --> 00:48:56,500
cover so it's it's quite an opportunity

1222
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,900
to own something very very cool now is

1223
00:49:02,100 --> 00:49:00,160
there a possibility of high-definition

1224
00:49:04,410 --> 00:49:02,110
here or it wasn't shot that way

1225
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,420
everything was shot in HD we didn't we

1226
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:06,400
edited it down obviously for traditional

1227
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:09,310
DVDs rather than blu-ray but um yeah all

1228
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:10,960
of the original product all of the

1229
00:49:16,050 --> 00:49:13,690
original footage is all on HD so can we

1230
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:16,060
pitch for maybe a high-definition

1231
00:49:20,910 --> 00:49:18,610
version yeah it's probably unlikely just

1232
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:20,920
because of what it's going to take to do

1233
00:49:25,380 --> 00:49:23,440
that it'll cost thousands to go back

1234
00:49:28,140 --> 00:49:25,390
through and redo all of the material on

1235
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:28,150
an HD like we took the interviews and

1236
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:29,920
they were shot in HD but in order to

1237
00:49:33,870 --> 00:49:31,930
really make them more interesting to

1238
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:33,880
watch and funner when we when we put it

1239
00:49:38,610 --> 00:49:36,610
in a DV timeline we would recompose our

1240
00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:38,620
shots and we would put some camera moves

1241
00:49:42,270 --> 00:49:39,820
on them and just some really cool stuff

1242
00:49:43,890 --> 00:49:42,280
it's very fun to watch so if we put out

1243
00:49:46,050 --> 00:49:43,900
an HD version of that it would lose a

1244
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:46,060
lot of that that cool stuff that we did

1245
00:49:50,010 --> 00:49:47,440
it's kind of like going you know back

1246
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:50,020
into the project and kind of having to

1247
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:52,210
redo it which may not be a practical

1248
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:54,370
thing to do yeah especially since you

1249
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:56,650
know that it looks great on DVD and a

1250
00:50:01,260 --> 00:49:58,960
lot of people have DVD players now

1251
00:50:03,090 --> 00:50:01,270
that's up res stuff to HD anyway and

1252
00:50:05,250 --> 00:50:03,100
then eventually you know a couple years

1253
00:50:07,980 --> 00:50:05,260
from now this will be available as a

1254
00:50:09,150 --> 00:50:07,990
pay-per-view download to own kind of

1255
00:50:11,070 --> 00:50:09,160
things I don't think it's ever really

1256
00:50:13,050 --> 00:50:11,080
going to need to go to Full HD

1257
00:50:15,540 --> 00:50:13,060
does that make sense - is it possible to

1258
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:15,550
offer at least the basic film that could

1259
00:50:28,260 --> 00:50:26,310
be more than happy to talk about getting

1260
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,270
it out there it's certainly a nice piece

1261
00:50:31,410 --> 00:50:30,160
and there's there's you know people like

1262
00:50:33,330 --> 00:50:31,420
Prometheus Productions

1263
00:50:35,940 --> 00:50:33,340
working with the History Channel have

1264
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:35,950
done a lot of stuff and Chris is

1265
00:50:39,570 --> 00:50:37,930
involved in that show and so is just

1266
00:50:41,790 --> 00:50:39,580
about everybody we know and they're

1267
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:41,800
doing a really nice polished television

1268
00:50:47,580 --> 00:50:44,890
version it's just not as in-depth or as

1269
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:47,590
daring as what we do on our DVD stuff

1270
00:50:51,060 --> 00:50:48,970
because they you know we don't have to

1271
00:50:52,290 --> 00:50:51,070
answer to anybody but I do hand it to

1272
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:52,300
them for what they're doing it so they

1273
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:53,890
put out some pretty good work and I

1274
00:50:58,050 --> 00:50:55,810
would think also when you have to deal

1275
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,060
with a network there are compromises

1276
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:00,400
that have to be made they may require

1277
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:02,290
you to read it everything you never know

1278
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,910
by the way there are lots of ways to

1279
00:51:07,710 --> 00:51:05,920
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1280
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:07,720
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00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:12,940
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1320
00:53:14,779 --> 00:53:12,319
so we're discussing a film about

1321
00:53:18,059 --> 00:53:14,789
disclosure the disclosure dialogues

1322
00:53:19,499 --> 00:53:18,069
producer Ron James joins us he's worked

1323
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:19,509
with Chris for a number of years so

1324
00:53:24,959 --> 00:53:22,049
they've put lots of things together and

1325
00:53:27,150 --> 00:53:24,969
they've assembled and I've seen parts of

1326
00:53:29,489 --> 00:53:27,160
it already because I have a copy she got

1327
00:53:31,979 --> 00:53:29,499
a copy from one of the people at the

1328
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:31,989
International UFO conference and he's

1329
00:53:36,989 --> 00:53:33,910
really well done very professionally

1330
00:53:39,509 --> 00:53:36,999
done and that's not always the case

1331
00:53:41,579 --> 00:53:39,519
in a lot of these documentaries that get

1332
00:53:43,469 --> 00:53:41,589
bandied about in the paranormal field

1333
00:53:45,569 --> 00:53:43,479
they don't know what professional means

1334
00:53:46,859 --> 00:53:45,579
and this is professional work it's

1335
00:53:48,900 --> 00:53:46,869
really good work and certainly worth

1336
00:53:50,459 --> 00:53:48,910
watching Chris why'd you pick up on the

1337
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:50,469
questioning here even though you're a

1338
00:53:54,269 --> 00:53:52,569
participant in the project yeah I'm

1339
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,279
wearing I'm wearing to that so they do

1340
00:53:58,109 --> 00:53:56,319
write he's got he's got basically he's

1341
00:54:02,429 --> 00:53:58,119
also grown his beard back because of

1342
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:02,439
this well I dunno I'm not I'm not a

1343
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:03,910
believer in disclosure all of my

1344
00:54:07,650 --> 00:54:05,529
listeners know that I can't put my name

1345
00:54:11,009 --> 00:54:07,660
on a disclosure film and I'm if you

1346
00:54:12,809 --> 00:54:11,019
watch the video at the EBE Awards he's

1347
00:54:14,249 --> 00:54:12,819
very funny he's like yeah you know just

1348
00:54:17,309 --> 00:54:14,259
don't drink the True Believer kool-aid

1349
00:54:19,380 --> 00:54:17,319
people and so to have somebody involved

1350
00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:19,390
in this project that is that objective

1351
00:54:23,609 --> 00:54:21,400
and really coming from the skeptical

1352
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:23,619
standpoint it's one thing that it's made

1353
00:54:27,479 --> 00:54:25,119
it possible for Chris and I to do so

1354
00:54:29,999 --> 00:54:27,489
many films together is that we both

1355
00:54:31,859 --> 00:54:30,009
share a journalistic it both integrity

1356
00:54:33,390 --> 00:54:31,869
and approach to the stuff we're not

1357
00:54:35,579 --> 00:54:33,400
interested in believing for the sake of

1358
00:54:37,499 --> 00:54:35,589
believing and we're not interested in in

1359
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:37,509
tweaking something to the point where

1360
00:54:41,009 --> 00:54:39,609
we're imposing our opinion on other

1361
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:41,019
people and want to put out stuff and

1362
00:54:46,439 --> 00:54:43,359
just you know that any layman can watch

1363
00:54:48,089 --> 00:54:46,449
and at least get a basic summary to

1364
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:48,099
develop their own opinions so a case

1365
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:49,209
like this where you come up with a

1366
00:54:54,059 --> 00:54:51,609
project like this you're giving a number

1367
00:54:56,910 --> 00:54:54,069
of viewpoints from a wide range of

1368
00:54:58,799 --> 00:54:56,920
people and then hoping that people will

1369
00:55:00,989 --> 00:54:58,809
look at this and maybe make their own

1370
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:00,999
determination and I guess we should ask

1371
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:02,410
about this before we go into any other

1372
00:55:05,989 --> 00:55:03,910
projects and there's some listener

1373
00:55:08,329 --> 00:55:05,999
questions too in our forums and

1374
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:08,339
that is can we take something like this

1375
00:55:14,389 --> 00:55:10,529
either the core documentary or the five

1376
00:55:16,909 --> 00:55:14,399
DVD set and present it to scientists to

1377
00:55:18,529 --> 00:55:16,919
the government and say okay tell us what

1378
00:55:20,569 --> 00:55:18,539
you know how do we get them to do that

1379
00:55:22,669 --> 00:55:20,579
can we get them to do it if they know

1380
00:55:24,139 --> 00:55:22,679
anything you know it's very interesting

1381
00:55:26,299 --> 00:55:24,149
how many people have tried to do that

1382
00:55:28,489 --> 00:55:26,309
with the disclosure project and with you

1383
00:55:30,649 --> 00:55:28,499
know Edgar Mitchell has tried to

1384
00:55:32,589 --> 00:55:30,659
initiate he founded noetic Sciences he's

1385
00:55:34,849 --> 00:55:32,599
tried to initiate countless

1386
00:55:36,949 --> 00:55:34,859
conversations and supposedly there are

1387
00:55:39,289 --> 00:55:36,959
other people who are collecting the

1388
00:55:41,659 --> 00:55:39,299
archives in the eyewitness testimony of

1389
00:55:43,489 --> 00:55:41,669
people who you know are willing to do

1390
00:55:45,919 --> 00:55:43,499
that it still hasn't hit the mainstream

1391
00:55:48,229 --> 00:55:45,929
and and I think it's still dangerous you

1392
00:55:50,479 --> 00:55:48,239
know the idea that yes we would love the

1393
00:55:51,889 --> 00:55:50,489
next version of disclosure dialogues to

1394
00:55:53,689 --> 00:55:51,899
be a bunch of people that came forward

1395
00:55:54,379 --> 00:55:53,699
and really disclosed that would be

1396
00:55:56,269 --> 00:55:54,389
fantastic

1397
00:55:58,519 --> 00:55:56,279
but the one thing that we're we're

1398
00:56:00,379 --> 00:55:58,529
totally aware of is and this is very

1399
00:56:02,119 --> 00:56:00,389
interesting that I even noticed it

1400
00:56:03,379 --> 00:56:02,129
throughout the production and didn't

1401
00:56:06,439 --> 00:56:03,389
really put my finger on it until it was

1402
00:56:08,899 --> 00:56:06,449
done is we have a lot of people debating

1403
00:56:10,219 --> 00:56:08,909
how much the government knows and how

1404
00:56:12,499 --> 00:56:10,229
much the government government has

1405
00:56:13,969 --> 00:56:12,509
failed to disclose and how much you know

1406
00:56:17,629 --> 00:56:13,979
how much the government is hiding or not

1407
00:56:18,769 --> 00:56:17,639
hiding nobody in this field and nowhere

1408
00:56:21,229 --> 00:56:18,779
in the evidence presented

1409
00:56:23,809 --> 00:56:21,239
is anybody debating the idea that we're

1410
00:56:25,339 --> 00:56:23,819
definitely being visited or monitored by

1411
00:56:28,219 --> 00:56:25,349
something we can't see

1412
00:56:29,779 --> 00:56:28,229
and I think that this production is

1413
00:56:31,699 --> 00:56:29,789
definitely for people who already get

1414
00:56:33,469 --> 00:56:31,709
that and the people that don't get that

1415
00:56:34,849 --> 00:56:33,479
can go back and read some of these it

1416
00:56:36,379 --> 00:56:34,859
can read some of Richard Dolan's books

1417
00:56:38,029 --> 00:56:36,389
you have those in the national security

1418
00:56:40,669 --> 00:56:38,039
state there's plenty of evidence

1419
00:56:43,789 --> 00:56:40,679
evidentiary publications and videos out

1420
00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:43,799
there that establish pretty well I think

1421
00:56:47,899 --> 00:56:46,169
um Stanton Friedman said it best if you

1422
00:56:49,399 --> 00:56:47,909
take it in front of a court of law and

1423
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:49,409
you lay out the evidence you would

1424
00:56:53,419 --> 00:56:51,089
almost certainly get a conviction for

1425
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:53,429
the existence of this kind of phenomenon

1426
00:56:57,019 --> 00:56:55,529
we're not asking that question in this

1427
00:56:59,479 --> 00:56:57,029
production we're not asking if they're

1428
00:57:01,249 --> 00:56:59,489
here we're just asking why isn't the

1429
00:57:04,129 --> 00:57:01,259
government telling us about it

1430
00:57:06,499 --> 00:57:04,139
now putting yourself in the shoes of

1431
00:57:09,799 --> 00:57:06,509
people in the government let's say they

1432
00:57:11,869 --> 00:57:09,809
know that et is here that et is flying

1433
00:57:14,479 --> 00:57:11,879
obviously unfettered because they

1434
00:57:16,729 --> 00:57:14,489
certainly can get ahead of our weaponry

1435
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:16,739
if it came to that certainly far in

1436
00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:19,280
advance of us doesn't that have

1437
00:57:23,059 --> 00:57:21,660
incredible consequences that have to be

1438
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:23,069
considered it's not something you can

1439
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:24,690
release willy-nilly and say well you

1440
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:26,609
know people will accept it yeah I

1441
00:57:30,140 --> 00:57:28,319
suppose they will but organized

1442
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,150
religions around the world are going to

1443
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:32,400
have difficulty especially if Ichi gets

1444
00:57:36,789 --> 00:57:34,170
here and says will their religion their

1445
00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:36,799
concept of religion is totally different

1446
00:57:42,140 --> 00:57:39,900
from ours or they say you know what

1447
00:57:44,420 --> 00:57:42,150
those things those things that happened

1448
00:57:47,089 --> 00:57:44,430
in biblical times that was us so that's

1449
00:57:49,039 --> 00:57:47,099
one possibility it can destroy religions

1450
00:57:51,319 --> 00:57:49,049
or change our belief systems cause all

1451
00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:51,329
sorts of crises what happens to the

1452
00:57:56,299 --> 00:57:53,880
energy industry oil industry if we learn

1453
00:57:58,190 --> 00:57:56,309
there's free energy out there we only

1454
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,200
have to learn the secret we only have to

1455
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:00,720
learn the alien technology or what if

1456
00:58:05,450 --> 00:58:02,970
the aliens are Trojan horses they're

1457
00:58:07,460 --> 00:58:05,460
here to take us over you consider all

1458
00:58:10,130 --> 00:58:07,470
these possibilities how does the

1459
00:58:12,740 --> 00:58:10,140
government react they may not know if ET

1460
00:58:15,260 --> 00:58:12,750
is friendly or not you know it's amazing

1461
00:58:16,940 --> 00:58:15,270
because you just summarized a very big

1462
00:58:18,859 --> 00:58:16,950
part of our film and also a really big

1463
00:58:19,460 --> 00:58:18,869
part of the discussions we address all

1464
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:19,470
these issues

1465
00:58:23,809 --> 00:58:21,450
Paula Harris really lays it out quite

1466
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:23,819
well and she's like you know what are

1467
00:58:28,010 --> 00:58:25,410
they going to admit and all they do is

1468
00:58:29,569 --> 00:58:28,020
is they unveil a tapestry of lives it

1469
00:58:32,180 --> 00:58:29,579
goes back years for years and years and

1470
00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:32,190
years and Richard Golan has a very

1471
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:34,260
interesting point about if this is

1472
00:58:37,609 --> 00:58:35,609
really happening with all of the money

1473
00:58:39,230 --> 00:58:37,619
that's been sent down into black

1474
00:58:40,940 --> 00:58:39,240
projects and everything else who's going

1475
00:58:43,309 --> 00:58:40,950
to be accountable people are gonna go to

1476
00:58:45,380 --> 00:58:43,319
jail there's gonna be lawsuits and and

1477
00:58:47,299 --> 00:58:45,390
George Knapp he's like you know how are

1478
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:47,309
they going to admit that they've been

1479
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:49,410
lying all this time without serious

1480
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:51,210
repercussions and then of course Danny

1481
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:54,240
Sheehan goes in very deep into the whole

1482
00:58:59,059 --> 00:58:55,920
religious and philosophical and social

1483
00:59:00,859 --> 00:58:59,069
implications of what it means so you you

1484
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:00,869
touch upon those subjects in this

1485
00:59:04,849 --> 00:59:02,880
documentary and and in the conversations

1486
00:59:07,460 --> 00:59:04,859
that ensue on the other four discs you

1487
00:59:10,010 --> 00:59:07,470
really get to sink your teeth into the

1488
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:10,020
both sides of all of those topics thing

1489
00:59:13,819 --> 00:59:11,730
I found interesting about the religious

1490
00:59:15,470 --> 00:59:13,829
question that Danny Sheehan brought up

1491
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,480
and it's a point well taken

1492
00:59:21,049 --> 00:59:18,480
the Catholic Church had the the

1493
00:59:25,539 --> 00:59:21,059
many-worlds edict that was released I

1494
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:25,549
think by a panel assigned by the Vatican

1495
00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:30,210
that this was if this is 1277 so you

1496
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:32,220
know the many-worlds edict if you look

1497
00:59:35,210 --> 00:59:32,610
at that

1498
00:59:37,370 --> 00:59:35,220
and look at it at the stand of the in in

1499
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:37,380
Danny's case being a devout Catholic

1500
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:39,810
he's he's really up to speed on on the

1501
00:59:44,180 --> 00:59:41,850
process that is that we've seen unfold

1502
00:59:46,940 --> 00:59:44,190
over centuries with with Rome and they

1503
00:59:48,380 --> 00:59:46,950
the Roman Catholic Church and didn't you

1504
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:48,390
know other people brought Peter Peter

1505
00:59:52,850 --> 00:59:49,500
Robbins brought up a very interesting

1506
00:59:55,070 --> 00:59:52,860
point about the Islamic faith and how

1507
00:59:57,470 --> 00:59:55,080
they view the paranormal it's much

1508
01:00:00,800 --> 00:59:57,480
different from the standard rational

1509
01:00:03,470 --> 01:00:00,810
sort of Age of Reason esque the Western

1510
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,480
world so these are all kinds of

1511
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:06,000
multicultural issues that that they're

1512
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:07,890
all kind of dovetail together in a very

1513
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:10,650
interesting way and my personal favorite

1514
01:00:16,550 --> 01:00:14,010
subject in the whole project was these

1515
01:00:19,460 --> 01:00:16,560
these cultural questions and also the

1516
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:19,470
you know the possible culpability of the

1517
01:00:23,810 --> 01:00:22,110
government knowing obviously more than

1518
01:00:25,610 --> 01:00:23,820
we do about this subject and I've always

1519
01:00:27,290 --> 01:00:25,620
contended because they know more than we

1520
01:00:29,300 --> 01:00:27,300
do they're that much more confused than

1521
01:00:30,740 --> 01:00:29,310
we are it's when you start looking at

1522
01:00:33,410 --> 01:00:30,750
all this stuff it really is a

1523
01:00:35,420 --> 01:00:33,420
kaleidoscope that you have to slow it

1524
01:00:37,070 --> 01:00:35,430
slow the turning kaleidoscope down to

1525
01:00:39,830 --> 01:00:37,080
really identify where all the pieces

1526
01:00:43,610 --> 01:00:39,840
locked together in the subject and then

1527
01:00:44,990 --> 01:00:43,620
they change again huh yeah I said all

1528
01:00:46,970 --> 01:00:45,000
the pieces locked together and just when

1529
01:00:48,350 --> 01:00:46,980
you think you recognize exactly you see

1530
01:00:50,660 --> 01:00:48,360
the whole picture the picture changes

1531
01:00:52,340 --> 01:00:50,670
it's been part and parcel of UFO

1532
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:52,350
research they try to find different

1533
01:00:57,860 --> 01:00:55,410
patterns we had a five year pattern for

1534
01:00:59,750 --> 01:00:57,870
UFO flaps we had a seven year pattern I

1535
01:01:01,730 --> 01:00:59,760
think at one time all sorts of patterns

1536
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:01,740
and when you get the thing nailed down

1537
01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:06,810
suddenly there is no pattern yeah well

1538
01:01:09,050 --> 01:01:07,710
you know there's not going to be a

1539
01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:09,060
pattern because we're not dealing with

1540
01:01:14,750 --> 01:01:11,190
with creatures that with creatures or

1541
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:14,760
phenomenon or anything else that that

1542
01:01:18,770 --> 01:01:17,010
operates in a way that we can define and

1543
01:01:22,010 --> 01:01:18,780
so you know it's just like with SETI

1544
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:22,020
looking for radio waves as many radio

1545
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:24,210
waves as we sent out into outer space if

1546
01:01:27,260 --> 01:01:25,890
there there's something going on with

1547
01:01:30,110 --> 01:01:27,270
the way the universe handle this type of

1548
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:30,120
stuff either advanced civilizations or

1549
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:32,880
beyond radio never invented it you know

1550
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:34,290
there's there's a lot of different ways

1551
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:36,810
but we're constantly trying to look for

1552
01:01:42,770 --> 01:01:38,370
something we can't see

1553
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,780
with eyes that operate in a way that

1554
01:01:46,790 --> 01:01:44,880
they've operated ever since we began

1555
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,800
searching so

1556
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:48,960
you know basically we've got to we've

1557
01:01:53,540 --> 01:01:50,370
got to look at the idea that none of

1558
01:01:55,820 --> 01:01:53,550
this stuff that's in our boxes and I

1559
01:01:57,890 --> 01:01:55,830
think that once we do that and really

1560
01:01:59,060 --> 01:01:57,900
get open to listening to what the

1561
01:02:00,380 --> 01:01:59,070
physicists are saying what the

1562
01:02:01,790 --> 01:02:00,390
scientists are saying or what we're

1563
01:02:03,530 --> 01:02:01,800
discovering about the universe in

1564
01:02:05,450 --> 01:02:03,540
general that's what we're really going

1565
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:05,460
to be able to start seeing how this all

1566
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:07,410
fits together and what and and maybe

1567
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:08,970
even get an idea what's really going on

1568
01:02:13,310 --> 01:02:11,010
well part of the problem here is we're

1569
01:02:16,250 --> 01:02:13,320
dealing with something that could be

1570
01:02:18,140 --> 01:02:16,260
alien and now we're trying to basically

1571
01:02:20,330 --> 01:02:18,150
switch it over to our own logic and

1572
01:02:23,540 --> 01:02:20,340
interpretation of the universe you know

1573
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:23,550
we believe the universe is this but an

1574
01:02:29,060 --> 01:02:26,880
advanced race it could be from another

1575
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:29,070
dimension doesn't matter an advanced

1576
01:02:33,260 --> 01:02:31,200
race we have a totally different idea or

1577
01:02:35,900 --> 01:02:33,270
concept of the universe possibly a lot

1578
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:35,910
more accurate than ours Ron James joins

1579
01:02:47,210 --> 01:02:37,920
us with Jeanne and Chris you're in the

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twelve hours of discussions with lots of

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people in the UFO field about disclosure

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should there be could there be

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can there be of course they had the

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award-winning documentary it could

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happen tomorrow swept this year's EBE

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awards at the International UFO

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01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:52,890
conference just a few weeks ago we've

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01:07:56,780 --> 01:07:54,960
been talking about the government and

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01:07:58,610 --> 01:07:56,790
what did they know and when did they

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01:08:00,020 --> 01:07:58,620
know it I guess the other question we

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01:08:02,930 --> 01:08:00,030
asked when we talked about the

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01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:02,940
possibility of there being a long-term

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01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:06,090
UFO secret and that is with different

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01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:07,710
administration's different political

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01:08:10,910 --> 01:08:08,610
philosophies

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01:08:14,060 --> 01:08:10,920
how does the government keep that a

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01:08:15,650 --> 01:08:14,070
secret for 6070 years how do you how do

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01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:15,660
you do it you know that's that's an

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01:08:18,440 --> 01:08:17,010
interesting question and people that

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01:08:20,780 --> 01:08:18,450
know the government on the surface know

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01:08:22,910 --> 01:08:20,790
that you just can't I think that you

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01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:22,920
look back at the history and the stories

1716
01:08:27,860 --> 01:08:24,810
and the lore that involves the creation

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01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:27,870
of top secret below the radar subgroups

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01:08:32,540 --> 01:08:30,210
you know like the majestic stories it's

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the only way I mean there and people

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01:08:36,380 --> 01:08:35,010
that are that are so scared to tell what

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01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:36,390
they know and then of course a huge

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01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:39,210
compartmental compartmentalization where

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01:08:42,410 --> 01:08:40,770
somebody might know a little something

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01:08:43,550 --> 01:08:42,420
like okay here's an ally we don't know

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01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:43,560
where it came from but they don't know

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that it came off a spaceship and a

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hangar two two doors down the

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speculation of how the secrets kept

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01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:50,460
there's a lot of people that say well

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sure there's a way and there's a lot of

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01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:53,640
people that say you know the fact that

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01:08:58,460 --> 01:08:56,970
that no secret is leaked is proof that

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01:08:59,810 --> 01:08:58,470
there's absolutely nothing going on

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01:09:02,210 --> 01:08:59,820
because the government can't keep

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01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:02,220
secrets so what's the answer of that

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01:09:05,690 --> 01:09:03,930
question it's uh it

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into the same realm of speculation as

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01:09:10,490 --> 01:09:07,860
many of the other questions question

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01:09:13,310 --> 01:09:10,500
your genes from one of our forum posters

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01:09:16,610 --> 01:09:13,320
at four and dr. Perik asked calm and

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01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:16,620
this comes from century whose a better

1742
01:09:21,440 --> 01:09:19,410
forum posted for about a year and he has

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01:09:23,180 --> 01:09:21,450
three questions one of which we already

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01:09:26,090 --> 01:09:23,190
kind of looked at but we didn't really

1745
01:09:28,250 --> 01:09:26,100
look at the implications of he says how

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01:09:30,140 --> 01:09:28,260
does the fact that there are a few UFO

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01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:30,150
based religions complicate the

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01:09:34,250 --> 01:09:31,970
government's position on discussing

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01:09:35,540 --> 01:09:34,260
extraterrestrial life and I think that's

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01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:35,550
a good question because it takes that

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01:09:40,850 --> 01:09:37,920
whole cultural concept the whole

1752
01:09:43,070 --> 01:09:40,860
cultural aspect of this it it looks at

1753
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:43,080
it even more closely and that is I mean

1754
01:09:47,300 --> 01:09:46,080
look at the Raelians the Sun temple some

1755
01:09:49,700 --> 01:09:47,310
of the groups that have sprung up around

1756
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:49,710
the contactees I would almost considered

1757
01:09:54,140 --> 01:09:52,290
see SETI kind of bucking to become some

1758
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:54,150
sort of religion the standing room in

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01:09:59,270 --> 01:09:56,250
that case I think is supplying a lot of

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people with some spiritual elements

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01:10:03,700 --> 01:10:01,320
james gilliland up a trout lake in

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01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:03,710
washington for instance has quite a

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01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:05,970
solid you know group of two believers

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01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:08,400
about his message and what he's getting

1765
01:10:11,710 --> 01:10:10,050
from this phenomena what do you think

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01:10:14,540 --> 01:10:11,720
Ron do you think that that the the

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01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,550
potential for establishing some sort of

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01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:16,800
deification of these entities might be

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01:10:19,670 --> 01:10:17,850
one of the things that's holding the

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01:10:22,850 --> 01:10:19,680
government back from from disclosing

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01:10:24,980 --> 01:10:22,860
know I think that really if there is

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01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:24,990
anything like that going on it's going

1773
01:10:29,330 --> 01:10:26,730
to be the realization that we've been

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01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:29,340
creating deification of them through all

1775
01:10:34,010 --> 01:10:31,920
the major religions that when we realize

1776
01:10:36,050 --> 01:10:34,020
principles like Genesis revisited and

1777
01:10:37,700 --> 01:10:36,060
some of the other stuff that that what

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01:10:39,980 --> 01:10:37,710
we're calling angels really aren't what

1779
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:39,990
we're calling gods on some level really

1780
01:10:44,930 --> 01:10:42,330
are not and so I don't think it's so

1781
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:44,940
much that we're going to deify something

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01:10:49,070 --> 01:10:46,530
that has not been deified I think it's

1783
01:10:51,890 --> 01:10:49,080
that we're going to reach a very very

1784
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:51,900
hard to swallow definition for things

1785
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:54,060
that have already been widely deified

1786
01:10:58,010 --> 01:10:55,650
well of course we've done that in

1787
01:11:01,340 --> 01:10:58,020
fiction already like the TV series

1788
01:11:04,700 --> 01:11:01,350
Stargate sg-1 where they depict an alien

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01:11:07,070 --> 01:11:04,710
race of parasites that first appeared in

1790
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:07,080
ancient times and made slaves of us yeah

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01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:09,570
and what do they say about fiction and

1792
01:11:14,060 --> 01:11:12,330
truth so I think that as we begin to

1793
01:11:16,150 --> 01:11:14,070
compare the alien question with

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01:11:17,900 --> 01:11:16,160
religions we're going to find out that

1795
01:11:19,820 --> 01:11:17,910
many of

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01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:19,830
religious traditions and of our

1797
01:11:24,110 --> 01:11:22,320
spiritual stories have an alien twist

1798
01:11:25,100 --> 01:11:24,120
and of course that's not like anything

1799
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:25,110
groundbreaking that we're suggesting

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01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:27,450
here that ancient alien series that it

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01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:29,850
talks about it at that length and then

1802
01:11:34,250 --> 01:11:32,910
Richard Dolan in our project talks to

1803
01:11:36,050 --> 01:11:34,260
Danny Sheehan about that I mean where

1804
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:36,060
does it end you know pretty soon people

1805
01:11:39,290 --> 01:11:37,650
are gonna say well then Jesus was an

1806
01:11:41,900 --> 01:11:39,300
alien and I think that when you actually

1807
01:11:44,090 --> 01:11:41,910
lay that out law okay could Jesus have

1808
01:11:46,010 --> 01:11:44,100
been an alien that describes it right

1809
01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:46,020
there that in one sentence in one

1810
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:48,900
question really echoes the tremors that

1811
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:51,120
would rock through the world upon you no

1812
01:11:55,460 --> 01:11:52,770
further disclosure and for the

1813
01:11:57,770 --> 01:11:55,470
understanding so yeah was jesus an alien

1814
01:11:59,810 --> 01:11:57,780
well who knows but that's a question

1815
01:12:01,190 --> 01:11:59,820
that people might not really want to

1816
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:01,200
come to grips with well that would be up

1817
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:03,090
to the aliens to answer if they chose to

1818
01:12:07,700 --> 01:12:05,280
answer it and then the other question is

1819
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:07,710
could we accept what they look like I

1820
01:12:12,170 --> 01:12:09,690
don't mean insect toys you know will you

1821
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:12,180
see a praying mantis and that's et I'm

1822
01:12:17,450 --> 01:12:15,360
not talking about grey aliens I'm saying

1823
01:12:20,150 --> 01:12:17,460
is if there's et out there and there

1824
01:12:22,460 --> 01:12:20,160
certainly are thousands millions

1825
01:12:24,170 --> 01:12:22,470
billions of planets that may Harbor life

1826
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:24,180
we're learning more about that every day

1827
01:12:28,730 --> 01:12:26,250
that might be possible gradual

1828
01:12:31,310 --> 01:12:28,740
disclosure okay if they're too alien to

1829
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:31,320
us will it be like the movie contact

1830
01:12:38,150 --> 01:12:35,280
where they have to assume a look that is

1831
01:12:40,610 --> 01:12:38,160
something we can't accept and deal with

1832
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:40,620
the question is how do we cope with this

1833
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:42,810
truth and we're living on a planet where

1834
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:44,850
there's such diverse life forms that if

1835
01:12:49,580 --> 01:12:47,130
you just look at everything from the

1836
01:12:52,340 --> 01:12:49,590
microscopic bugs that live in your bed

1837
01:12:55,130 --> 01:12:52,350
all the way to lizards and snakes and

1838
01:12:57,530 --> 01:12:55,140
insects and other microorganisms

1839
01:13:00,200 --> 01:12:57,540
we're already exposed to the idea that

1840
01:13:02,510 --> 01:13:00,210
life has many many different looks and

1841
01:13:03,740 --> 01:13:02,520
many of which are grotesque to us so it

1842
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:03,750
would I think that it would have to be

1843
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:07,650
something really really bizarre and way

1844
01:13:11,900 --> 01:13:09,450
outside the box of life on Earth to

1845
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:11,910
create an issue we'll really having a

1846
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:13,440
hard time with what they look like I

1847
01:13:19,100 --> 01:13:17,130
mean we've seen insanely incredible and

1848
01:13:22,130 --> 01:13:19,110
if some might say very ugly very

1849
01:13:24,260 --> 01:13:22,140
disgusting very strange animals right

1850
01:13:26,090 --> 01:13:24,270
here on the planet and so we are used to

1851
01:13:28,130 --> 01:13:26,100
the idea that life does not always look

1852
01:13:31,450 --> 01:13:28,140
like we might expect life to look like

1853
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:31,460
and I it's a point well taken

1854
01:13:36,490 --> 01:13:33,530
I think you know again these cultural

1855
01:13:39,820 --> 01:13:36,500
elements and these to these the nuances

1856
01:13:42,190 --> 01:13:39,830
I think cross culturally are a major

1857
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:42,200
subject of discussion in the disclosure

1858
01:13:45,610 --> 01:13:44,210
dialogues and I think it's a subject

1859
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:45,620
that we don't really talk about enough

1860
01:13:49,540 --> 01:13:47,360
one of the things that Danny Sheehan

1861
01:13:51,670 --> 01:13:49,550
brought up is the disclosure has to

1862
01:13:54,729 --> 01:13:51,680
probably get you to have the best chance

1863
01:13:58,090 --> 01:13:54,739
to succeed it has to be a groundswell of

1864
01:14:00,220 --> 01:13:58,100
people organizing on a grassroots level

1865
01:14:01,660 --> 01:14:00,230
and making their elected officials

1866
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:01,670
accountable the their scientific

1867
01:14:06,670 --> 01:14:04,130
community and their religious leaders

1868
01:14:09,070 --> 01:14:06,680
accountable for this growing body of

1869
01:14:11,950 --> 01:14:09,080
data suggests without question and we're

1870
01:14:14,170 --> 01:14:11,960
being visited or interacted with by

1871
01:14:16,570 --> 01:14:14,180
something non-human and highly

1872
01:14:18,370 --> 01:14:16,580
technological and intelligent so I'm

1873
01:14:21,250 --> 01:14:18,380
gonna go on to another question here

1874
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:21,260
from sentry and I think this is kind of

1875
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a rhetorical question but he wants to

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know is the truth already out there does

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it lie among the rumors misinformation

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and speculation in other words as they

1879
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say about this information the most

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effective disinformation is the truth

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surrounded by lies or wrapped inside of

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lies or what do you think Ron do you

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01:14:43,630 --> 01:14:41,989
think that there aren't we already know

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01:14:46,900 --> 01:14:43,640
the answer we just haven't pulled it out

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of the the morass of possibilities well

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you know as as the as the film ends and

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I give my final narration I talk about

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how humans in in sooner or later are

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going to be a spacefaring race if we

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don't destroy ourselves and that there

1891
01:15:04,300 --> 01:15:02,480
will be a time when we're standing in

1892
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our spaceships looking across the Stars

1893
01:15:09,070 --> 01:15:06,980
just kind of chuckling about how there

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was ever a debate over disclosure and

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and and what I say it's at the back end

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of the film is that you know how can we

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debate something that instinctively we

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should already know and the other

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01:15:23,020 --> 01:15:20,840
question is disclosure it's already

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happened the rest is detailed and I

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totally believe that I think that the

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truth is out there

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I'll tell you what this truth is out

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there too we'll hear about it in a

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moment

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we have Ron James joining gene and Chris

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listening to the paranormal with gene

2014
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and Chris you're in the para cast Ron

2015
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James joins us Chris is wearing two hats

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here

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he's co-host of the show and he's also

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involved in the production of this film

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just 30 bucks and of course it could

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happen tomorrow which is the documentary

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that is based on that disclosure

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dialogue and we're framing your

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questions listeners asked in the para

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cast community forums about the

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implications of ET being here about

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01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:44,160
disclosure and you were so asking those

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01:20:48,890 --> 01:20:46,320
questions Chris the last question that

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involves you know the whole subject of

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01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:50,640
disclosure we're going to go on here to

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01:20:54,890 --> 01:20:52,770
some of the other work that ron has done

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and and including one project that I was

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01:20:59,810 --> 01:20:57,150
involved with it has to do with haunted

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01:21:02,450 --> 01:20:59,820
sites but but the question is you know

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because of the fact that that leaked

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01:21:06,350 --> 01:21:03,900
documents you know with leaking

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01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:06,360
WikiLeaks and going back to the Pentagon

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Papers and other leaked documents so is

2039
01:21:14,030 --> 01:21:11,370
there a possibility do you think Ron

2040
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:14,040
that we're going to see some sort of

2041
01:21:18,350 --> 01:21:15,930
sleeping done evidence

2042
01:21:20,420 --> 01:21:18,360
leaked in the form of documentation or

2043
01:21:22,850 --> 01:21:20,430
or maybe the ultimate whistleblower

2044
01:21:24,290 --> 01:21:22,860
coming forward with some documentation

2045
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:24,300
do you think there's a possibility of

2046
01:21:29,709 --> 01:21:26,489
that I personally feel there is that's

2047
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:29,719
probably our best hope for any sort of

2048
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:32,400
disclosure by accident or by by

2049
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:34,800
groundswell from the government but well

2050
01:21:37,250 --> 01:21:35,760
what do you think about that do you

2051
01:21:39,170 --> 01:21:37,260
think that that there's a possibility

2052
01:21:41,959 --> 01:21:39,180
that we may have an event that would be

2053
01:21:43,820 --> 01:21:41,969
so slam-dunk that the government would

2054
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:43,830
have to come clean well you know George

2055
01:21:48,380 --> 01:21:45,930
Noory addresses this in his conversation

2056
01:21:51,170 --> 01:21:48,390
with Cheryl Jones on one of the discs

2057
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:51,180
and and I'd like George he's a friend of

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01:21:54,770 --> 01:21:53,280
mine and I tend to agree with him when

2059
01:21:56,660 --> 01:21:54,780
he says he doesn't think the disclosure

2060
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is going to come from government itself

2061
01:22:01,490 --> 01:21:58,829
but that it will come from a whistle

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and that sooner or later you're right

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they're either gonna land on the White

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House lawn and the government's just

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going to have to say well yeah we kind

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of knew about it or the evidence is

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going to come out in some other way and

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the government's just gonna have to kind

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of keep quiet about it but acknowledge

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it in whatever kind of way they're able

2071
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to pussyfoot around the subject it's

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difficult no matter what and invent like

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that is going to be orchestrated it's

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not like some guy that was in the

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astronaut program that really knows

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there's a base on the moon or whatever

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is going to come out and blow the

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whistle somebody is going to be given

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permission to blow the whistle

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somebody's gonna actually be told to

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blow the whistle so even though it's

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going to look like a whistle blower

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spontaneous event or a landing or

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01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:43,380
whatever if the government has truly

2085
01:22:48,350 --> 01:22:45,690
been keeping this a secret then have no

2086
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doubt that when the secret comes out it

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will most likely be at least somewhat

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orchestrated even though it might appear

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not to be let me ask you a question

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related to that run and that is okay we

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always look at the US government as the

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source of all this information you know

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01:23:04,700 --> 01:23:03,449
it's in there but we're not looking at

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all the other governments of the world

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01:23:09,109 --> 01:23:07,079
some of them have released some UFO

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information not really maybe the best

2097
01:23:14,330 --> 01:23:11,579
evidence but something throwing us a

2098
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bone from the various governments why

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would it be the US government what if

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the Chinese government says we're gonna

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get a leg up on this technology we're

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gonna do it

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or maybe Saudi Arabia why must it be the

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u.s. you know that's a very interesting

2105
01:23:30,109 --> 01:23:27,500
question and we actually cover that

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01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:30,119
again in the in the doc and the

2107
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conversations but I think what's going

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on here is that this knowledge there is

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a reason it's being kept from us and

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that reason makes sense to every

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government that has the knowledge in

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other words if in the former Soviet

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Union they had discovered the

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extraterrestrial craft well on some

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level there were high-level talks

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between governments and it was decided

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for a reason that we do not know that

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yes we are going to cooperate and keep

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this a secret and there could have been

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some kind of technology share that

2121
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happened that could have been reasons

2122
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that they did it or as as Chris has been

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known to say the truth could be so

2124
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shocking that no government in the right

2125
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mind would would reveal it to the people

2126
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you know there's the whole possibility

2127
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that the human race has been genetically

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engineered and

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being grown on this planet like a crop

2130
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and that we don't even know why we're

2131
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here and there's a whole possibility

2132
01:24:22,190 --> 01:24:20,460
that maybe it started out that way but

2133
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we were given the reins and now we're

2134
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being groomed to be an intergalactic

2135
01:24:27,380 --> 01:24:26,310
Society which I think one of the reasons

2136
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they're not landing on the White House

2137
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:30,300
lawn now is that if that is true we need

2138
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a few more generations to not only not

2139
01:24:37,070 --> 01:24:33,900
destroy ourselves which we evolved to

2140
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the point where where we will worthy of

2141
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being in space and so so we're not going

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to see Klaatu come to the White House

2143
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:45,960
lawn is that preordained that they made

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that decision so I made the decision we

2145
01:24:53,390 --> 01:24:51,210
can't have that revelation now but maybe

2146
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:53,400
sometime in the future we will be ready

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01:24:58,220 --> 01:24:56,250
well I think was made it wasn't made by

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01:25:00,020 --> 01:24:58,230
earthlings I think it's being made by by

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01:25:03,050 --> 01:25:00,030
whoever is in the background pulling the

2150
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:03,060
puppet strings I think that yes and it's

2151
01:25:07,490 --> 01:25:05,280
a big if but if you look back at the

2152
01:25:09,050 --> 01:25:07,500
ancient alien theory and these beings

2153
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:09,060
have had an influence on planetary

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01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:11,760
evolution sort of almost day one they

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01:25:15,890 --> 01:25:13,410
could have terraformed earth for all we

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01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:15,900
know and they're still involved then it

2157
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:17,970
is for it is for an end it is for a

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01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:19,890
purpose we could be little children

2159
01:25:25,100 --> 01:25:23,010
being raised by our parents with love we

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01:25:27,740 --> 01:25:25,110
could be cattle being raised for

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01:25:29,300 --> 01:25:27,750
whatever reason we don't know and and

2162
01:25:31,610 --> 01:25:29,310
the reason could have changed maybe we

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01:25:33,710 --> 01:25:31,620
reached a certain point in our evolution

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01:25:35,780 --> 01:25:33,720
where some Galactic Council said okay

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01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:35,790
you can no longer treat this this planet

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01:25:39,860 --> 01:25:37,770
as property these these beings have

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01:25:41,330 --> 01:25:39,870
shown promise and so now they have to be

2168
01:25:43,370 --> 01:25:41,340
allowed to continue down a different

2169
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:43,380
path there's so many stories out there

2170
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:46,290
and so many possibilities all you know

2171
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:47,970
all these different alien races that

2172
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:49,890
people talk about it could all be true

2173
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:52,290
none of it could be true but the fact of

2174
01:25:55,850 --> 01:25:53,250
the matter is there's so many different

2175
01:25:58,220 --> 01:25:55,860
possibilities it's hugely exciting now

2176
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:58,230
then the possibility here is is there a

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01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:01,440
gradual disclosure and maybe we could

2178
01:26:05,300 --> 01:26:03,450
look into that for a few moments before

2179
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:05,310
we go on to other topics about your

2180
01:26:12,230 --> 01:26:08,880
other ventures in the paranormal and

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01:26:14,480 --> 01:26:12,240
that is that the government or even the

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01:26:16,580 --> 01:26:14,490
government's in-concert working together

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01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:16,590
at least on some things say you know

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01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:18,600
what this is what's going on we've got

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01:26:23,260 --> 01:26:21,090
to get people accustomed to this reality

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01:26:25,729 --> 01:26:23,270
so we're accustomed to the fact that

2187
01:26:29,029 --> 01:26:25,739
every so often we hear about the

2188
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:29,039
next earth-like planet m-class planet

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01:26:33,830 --> 01:26:31,440
whatever Goldilocks planet being found

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01:26:35,149 --> 01:26:33,840
in some other star system and they're

2191
01:26:37,879 --> 01:26:35,159
more and more of them and we say you

2192
01:26:40,549 --> 01:26:37,889
know what these are earth-like they seem

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01:26:43,129 --> 01:26:40,559
to be the kind of planets where life can

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01:26:45,979 --> 01:26:43,139
arise therefore it follows that some

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01:26:48,589 --> 01:26:45,989
will have intelligent life therefore it

2196
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:48,599
follows that they may travel through

2197
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:50,610
outer space like we hope to do although

2198
01:26:55,250 --> 01:26:52,170
the space program is in shambles right

2199
01:26:56,899 --> 01:26:55,260
now so gradual disclosure is this

2200
01:26:58,819 --> 01:26:56,909
something you folks have considered

2201
01:27:00,859 --> 01:26:58,829
that's already happening but it's not

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01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:00,869
going to basically play out for another

2203
01:27:05,959 --> 01:27:03,449
few years yeah definitely I think so

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01:27:08,419 --> 01:27:05,969
yeah at the end of the film i postulate

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01:27:12,129 --> 01:27:08,429
that for sure but what's really going on

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01:27:15,259 --> 01:27:12,139
is that scientists all agree that

2207
01:27:17,089 --> 01:27:15,269
absolutely then you will you'll be very

2208
01:27:19,189 --> 01:27:17,099
hard-pressed to find the scientists in

2209
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:19,199
almost any field they will say now

2210
01:27:22,250 --> 01:27:20,400
there's no way there's life in the

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01:27:24,770 --> 01:27:22,260
universe they all pretty much agree then

2212
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:24,780
mathematically the idea that we're the

2213
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:27,570
only planet in the universe with life is

2214
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:31,199
pretty much not possible so the idea

2215
01:27:36,910 --> 01:27:33,090
that there's life in outer space that's

2216
01:27:39,229 --> 01:27:36,920
already a widely accepted truth and so

2217
01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:39,239
disclosure of that people are getting

2218
01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:40,320
more and more used to that we all

2219
01:27:44,060 --> 01:27:42,480
understand it so when we say disclosure

2220
01:27:46,669 --> 01:27:44,070
is already happening

2221
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:46,679
certainly the planet and the people on

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01:27:50,359 --> 01:27:48,449
the planet have already been prepared

2223
01:27:52,939 --> 01:27:50,369
for the idea that there's life in outer

2224
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:52,949
space in fact we all pretty much accept

2225
01:27:56,060 --> 01:27:54,719
it now and we're led by our scientific

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01:27:58,069 --> 01:27:56,070
communities and even our religious

2227
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:58,079
communities at this point of course we

2228
01:28:02,689 --> 01:27:59,760
have all the science fiction series from

2229
01:28:06,529 --> 01:28:02,699
the 60s Star Trek it has been taken over

2230
01:28:10,910 --> 01:28:06,539
our cultural media has already said ok

2231
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:10,920
in fiction we have ubiquitous life

2232
01:28:15,379 --> 01:28:12,719
around the universe we are in touch with

2233
01:28:17,930 --> 01:28:15,389
that life how far do you have to go

2234
01:28:20,930 --> 01:28:17,940
before we say oh by the way they're here

2235
01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:20,940
now well I think we're halfway there I

2236
01:28:24,799 --> 01:28:22,800
mean because we're already - they're

2237
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here not necessarily here on the planet

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01:28:28,750 --> 01:28:26,760
- here in the universe there's like I

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said there's nobody in in the mainstream

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pulpit at this point that's gonna say

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there's no way there's life in outer

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01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:35,249
space it pretty much everybody from the

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01:28:39,470 --> 01:28:37,050
scientific community even to the

2244
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:39,480
churches have all laid out either

2245
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:42,480
yes absolutely must be or if there is

2246
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:45,090
it's okay and so when we talk about a

2247
01:28:49,100 --> 01:28:47,010
glad you're a gradual element of

2248
01:28:51,740 --> 01:28:49,110
disclosure happening I don't know if I'd

2249
01:28:54,590 --> 01:28:51,750
call it a gradual disclosure as a

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imperative evolution in other words this

2251
01:29:01,130 --> 01:28:58,800
knowledge is coming it's already here is

2252
01:29:04,130 --> 01:29:01,140
it being disclosed or is it being

2253
01:29:05,690 --> 01:29:04,140
unfolded as we discover it collectively

2254
01:29:07,070 --> 01:29:05,700
you know that's open for debate and

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always there's going to be some people

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with a little more knowledge and others

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01:29:12,230 --> 01:29:10,650
so when you start looking at the gray

2258
01:29:13,340 --> 01:29:12,240
areas between what does the government

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01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:13,350
know what are they not telling us what

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01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:14,970
have they already told us what's being

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01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:16,170
filtered into the collective

2262
01:29:21,470 --> 01:29:18,330
consciousness it all gets very very

2263
01:29:23,750 --> 01:29:21,480
blurry and very very fuzzy but out of

2264
01:29:26,210 --> 01:29:23,760
all of it comes yes there's a planetary

2265
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:26,220
species we already know pretty much with

2266
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:29,610
100% certainty that there's life another

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honor the planet and this is unfolding -

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Chris O'Brien we're kind of wrapping up

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disclosure discussion because there's so

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much else going on now one of the things

2376
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you said very early here in our

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paranormal universe UFOs represent one

2378
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mystery a lot of people in the UFO field

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want to think there's a line of

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demarcation

2381
01:34:34,570 --> 01:34:31,880
here's UFOs maybe et that's one thing

2382
01:34:36,700 --> 01:34:34,580
but all the rest of this stuff it's a

2383
01:34:39,790 --> 01:34:36,710
different sort of phenomenon if it

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01:34:41,620 --> 01:34:39,800
exists at all but what do you think do

2385
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:41,630
you think it's all related to similar

2386
01:34:46,180 --> 01:34:44,090
causes well I mean certainly people have

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their their favorite genres and

2388
01:34:50,440 --> 01:34:47,810
certainly people can debate about the

2389
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:50,450
causes is a ghost haunting being caused

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by the same thing as a UFO landing in

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Rendlesham forest you know way yes and

2392
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in a way no I mean certainly there are

2393
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different manifestations of unknown

2394
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phenomenon so that they're completely

2395
01:35:06,250 --> 01:35:04,340
different

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but then what ties them together is that

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they are all elements of what comprises

2398
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our physical reality in our universe and

2399
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our multiverse that we don't yet

2400
01:35:17,649 --> 01:35:15,470
understand so I think they're profoundly

2401
01:35:20,780 --> 01:35:17,659
interconnected even if they might not be

2402
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:20,790
directly connected and I agree and I

2403
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:23,010
think there's one thing that the UFO

2404
01:35:27,649 --> 01:35:25,290
phenomena may represent is a collective

2405
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:27,659
manifestation of phenomena designed to

2406
01:35:32,810 --> 01:35:30,449
pull us off planet like a wind blowing

2407
01:35:34,790 --> 01:35:32,820
you know dandelion seeds around your

2408
01:35:36,050 --> 01:35:34,800
yard we have to get off the planet and

2409
01:35:38,060 --> 01:35:36,060
see the universe in order for our

2410
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:38,070
species to survive we know there's going

2411
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:39,570
to be an asteroid strike because Suns

2412
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:41,730
going to go supernova something

2413
01:35:46,370 --> 01:35:44,250
calamitous will be happening in the

2414
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:46,380
future of this planet so perhaps we know

2415
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:47,730
this collectively and we're pulling

2416
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:49,920
ourselves off planet and manifesting

2417
01:35:54,500 --> 01:35:52,770
these types of phenomenal events to get

2418
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:54,510
us to start thinking about getting out

2419
01:35:59,660 --> 01:35:57,050
into the universe now having said that

2420
01:36:02,959 --> 01:35:59,670
perhaps there's some other type of

2421
01:36:05,570 --> 01:36:02,969
connection on a collective level to to

2422
01:36:07,850 --> 01:36:05,580
other paranormal phenomena I think for

2423
01:36:10,459 --> 01:36:07,860
instance one of the things that excited

2424
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:10,469
me upon read meeting Ron and finding out

2425
01:36:17,300 --> 01:36:14,010
about his very deep interest in haunted

2426
01:36:18,410 --> 01:36:17,310
sites it dovetailed nicely with some of

2427
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:18,420
the work that I've been doing on

2428
01:36:23,030 --> 01:36:20,400
location specific hotspot a window

2429
01:36:25,669 --> 01:36:23,040
window areas in the San Luis Valley and

2430
01:36:27,350 --> 01:36:25,679
elsewhere where I was documenting UFO

2431
01:36:30,050 --> 01:36:27,360
activity that seemed to be centered

2432
01:36:32,629 --> 01:36:30,060
around pretty pretty specific locations

2433
01:36:34,879 --> 01:36:32,639
so I see there's a connection just in in

2434
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:34,889
in in the actual overall appearance of

2435
01:36:41,149 --> 01:36:37,770
the phenomenon between hauntings and

2436
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:41,159
UFOs I'd say that there there does seem

2437
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:45,330
in my mind to be a connecting point UFOs

2438
01:36:50,390 --> 01:36:48,090
could be likened to airborne um you know

2439
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:50,400
airborne ghosts or mysteries I mean

2440
01:36:53,930 --> 01:36:51,600
they're very ghost-like in the way they

2441
01:36:56,919 --> 01:36:53,940
can appear and disappear violate the

2442
01:36:59,419 --> 01:36:56,929
laws of physics the location specific

2443
01:37:01,879 --> 01:36:59,429
aspect of it is what really intrigued me

2444
01:37:03,350 --> 01:37:01,889
and that's one of the things that that I

2445
01:37:05,959 --> 01:37:03,360
think the dead whisperer project for

2446
01:37:08,450 --> 01:37:05,969
instance one uh why don't you give us a

2447
01:37:12,020 --> 01:37:08,460
quick background on dead whisper because

2448
01:37:14,359 --> 01:37:12,030
I think this is a highly unrecognized

2449
01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:14,369
and underrated work that she'd done yeah

2450
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:16,080
well you know dead whisper it's been out

2451
01:37:20,060 --> 01:37:18,210
for about five years it's a it's also

2452
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:20,070
available on our website with a couple

2453
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:21,840
of other projects in a nice little

2454
01:37:27,919 --> 01:37:25,290
package but it was a it started off to

2455
01:37:29,790 --> 01:37:27,929
be a psychic investigation we went to

2456
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:29,800
Chicago Chris and I and

2457
01:37:33,540 --> 01:37:31,690
we met up with some people that were

2458
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:33,550
just really really talented ghost

2459
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:34,930
investigators and we went to some

2460
01:37:38,490 --> 01:37:37,090
haunted sites and we didn't really think

2461
01:37:40,610 --> 01:37:38,500
we had anything we were gonna do we were

2462
01:37:43,350 --> 01:37:40,620
trying to do a teaser to pitch a TV show

2463
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:43,360
around this psychic and we filmed for

2464
01:37:47,340 --> 01:37:45,040
three days but when we got back we

2465
01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:47,350
started to analyzing the EVP tapes and

2466
01:37:50,730 --> 01:37:48,490
we started looking at some of the

2467
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:50,740
photographic and visual and nollies that

2468
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:52,930
occurred during the investigations and

2469
01:37:56,580 --> 01:37:54,850
we realized that we'd captured stuff

2470
01:37:59,040 --> 01:37:56,590
that neither one of us even believed in

2471
01:38:01,110 --> 01:37:59,050
at the time and so dead whisper was

2472
01:38:03,570 --> 01:38:01,120
created and it's to this day it's

2473
01:38:06,270 --> 01:38:03,580
considered the definitive film on on

2474
01:38:08,580 --> 01:38:06,280
electronic voice phenomenon and a lot of

2475
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:08,590
people that are ghost hunters they all

2476
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:11,890
know it so it certainly made a mark in

2477
01:38:15,780 --> 01:38:13,570
the field but yeah like chris says it

2478
01:38:18,540 --> 01:38:15,790
hasn't sold 100,000 copies and it hasn't

2479
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:18,550
been on TV but if you're into that type

2480
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:20,080
of phenomenon it's a film you should

2481
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:22,210
definitely have to discuss some of the

2482
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:25,690
real groundbreaking elements that that

2483
01:38:31,050 --> 01:38:28,810
actually were documented in the in the

2484
01:38:34,380 --> 01:38:31,060
project of the time dilation effects

2485
01:38:36,750 --> 01:38:34,390
really spring to mind there was a couple

2486
01:38:41,490 --> 01:38:36,760
of very very good examples that are

2487
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:41,500
extremely hard to explain away of time

2488
01:38:45,900 --> 01:38:43,450
with what appears to be some sort of

2489
01:38:49,290 --> 01:38:45,910
time dilation or time effect phenomena

2490
01:38:50,460 --> 01:38:49,300
once you let's address that briefly well

2491
01:38:52,380 --> 01:38:50,470
I'll tell you what I'm gonna let I'm

2492
01:38:54,450 --> 01:38:52,390
gonna let you tell the one about the the

2493
01:38:55,650 --> 01:38:54,460
time dilation because you've told that

2494
01:38:57,750 --> 01:38:55,660
one more than me and I think you've got

2495
01:39:00,660 --> 01:38:57,760
a better handle on it it was pretty

2496
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:00,670
amazing what I'll talk about is what we

2497
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:03,610
call the interactive EVP and the

2498
01:39:08,940 --> 01:39:07,690
interactive EVP is obviously a reaction

2499
01:39:10,230 --> 01:39:08,950
that you catch on tape when you're in

2500
01:39:12,330 --> 01:39:10,240
the environment for those of you who

2501
01:39:14,250 --> 01:39:12,340
don't know you're using electronic voice

2502
01:39:16,500 --> 01:39:14,260
recorders and you're recording on video

2503
01:39:18,570 --> 01:39:16,510
cameras and everything else and you

2504
01:39:20,190 --> 01:39:18,580
don't hear any of the stuff that appears

2505
01:39:22,380 --> 01:39:20,200
on the tape later and it might only

2506
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:22,390
appear on one tape or or one open piece

2507
01:39:27,090 --> 01:39:25,210
of electronic recording devices but you

2508
01:39:29,190 --> 01:39:27,100
don't hear it there and it doesn't

2509
01:39:30,810 --> 01:39:29,200
appear on everything but then as you go

2510
01:39:32,850 --> 01:39:30,820
through the stuff you find these

2511
01:39:35,550 --> 01:39:32,860
anomalous things that sound like voices

2512
01:39:37,170 --> 01:39:35,560
and there's a lot of poo-poo

2513
01:39:39,420 --> 01:39:37,180
explanations for how this stuff happens

2514
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:39,430
and a lot of people can say oh it's

2515
01:39:43,590 --> 01:39:41,170
stray radio waves it's this it's that

2516
01:39:46,140 --> 01:39:43,600
but when it really begins to defy

2517
01:39:49,140 --> 01:39:46,150
explanation is when you get what we call

2518
01:39:51,060 --> 01:39:49,150
the interactive EVP and in dead whisper

2519
01:39:53,190 --> 01:39:51,070
there's some examples of this and one of

2520
01:39:56,910 --> 01:39:53,200
the very very most interesting ones is

2521
01:39:58,020 --> 01:39:56,920
we had a psychic there and he was saying

2522
01:40:01,080 --> 01:39:58,030
that he was communicating with the

2523
01:40:02,820 --> 01:40:01,090
spirit of a little boy and he said you

2524
01:40:04,650 --> 01:40:02,830
know we're in there and he's talking to

2525
01:40:07,050 --> 01:40:04,660
him or videotaping the whole thing and

2526
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:07,060
the little boy's name was Adam and the

2527
01:40:12,180 --> 01:40:09,250
psychic says what was your favorite time

2528
01:40:14,690 --> 01:40:12,190
of year Adam and then there's a pause

2529
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:14,700
and then the psychic says Christmas like

2530
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:16,810
they like he was repeating the

2531
01:40:22,140 --> 01:40:18,730
impression that he was getting from from

2532
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:22,150
the spirit when we got the tapes back to

2533
01:40:26,540 --> 01:40:24,370
the studio and we're playing them you

2534
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:26,550
can hear the psychic on the tape and

2535
01:40:31,020 --> 01:40:28,690
what we found is right before the

2536
01:40:33,150 --> 01:40:31,030
psychic said Christmas as clear as day

2537
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:33,160
on one of our pieces of electronic media

2538
01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:35,650
a few seconds before he said Christmas

2539
01:40:42,570 --> 01:40:39,360
was the word Christmas it was it was so

2540
01:40:45,180 --> 01:40:42,580
plain and easy to hear that it was

2541
01:40:47,580 --> 01:40:45,190
undeniable and what we did is we still

2542
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:47,590
have to this day the original tapes not

2543
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:49,600
even it not even tapes this is a like an

2544
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:51,970
RCA digital voice recorder we have the

2545
01:40:55,410 --> 01:40:53,290
original voice recorder with the

2546
01:40:56,940 --> 01:40:55,420
original files and we protected this

2547
01:40:58,560 --> 01:40:56,950
evidence change so that anybody that

2548
01:41:00,450 --> 01:40:58,570
wanted to could come in and say okay

2549
01:41:02,820 --> 01:41:00,460
prove this to me everything's got the

2550
01:41:06,090 --> 01:41:02,830
timestamps I don't know if there's a way

2551
01:41:08,430 --> 01:41:06,100
to to alter the recordings that are on

2552
01:41:11,370 --> 01:41:08,440
digital voice recorders to interject

2553
01:41:13,230 --> 01:41:11,380
pieces of faked material but if there is

2554
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:13,240
I don't know how to do it so what I'm

2555
01:41:17,490 --> 01:41:15,610
saying is is we got an interactive EVP

2556
01:41:20,490 --> 01:41:17,500
and we got several but this is a good

2557
01:41:23,460 --> 01:41:20,500
example where it's very very hard to

2558
01:41:26,610 --> 01:41:23,470
deny that something has left this word

2559
01:41:29,070 --> 01:41:26,620
on this tape before the psychic said it

2560
01:41:31,470 --> 01:41:29,080
and so what we have is evidence of some

2561
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:31,480
kinds of disembodied being communicating

2562
01:41:37,260 --> 01:41:33,520
with the psychic both through a psychic

2563
01:41:40,860 --> 01:41:37,270
conversation a psychic medium event and

2564
01:41:42,210 --> 01:41:40,870
an EVP event where by some kind of

2565
01:41:44,010 --> 01:41:42,220
thought process or some kind of

2566
01:41:46,350 --> 01:41:44,020
energetic projection process they were

2567
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:46,360
able to put this word and leave it on

2568
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:49,360
this piece of RC a digital recording

2569
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:52,210
okay this voice what was it a male voice

2570
01:41:56,460 --> 01:41:54,250
a female voice something in the middle

2571
01:41:57,450 --> 01:41:56,470
what yeah it was it was definitely a

2572
01:42:01,740 --> 01:41:57,460
male voice it was

2573
01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:01,750
whisper and it's EVPs a lot of times

2574
01:42:04,830 --> 01:42:03,130
come across as whispers and there's a

2575
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:04,840
lot of theories about what what is

2576
01:42:11,190 --> 01:42:08,560
actually happening here that we probably

2577
01:42:12,450 --> 01:42:11,200
won't go into now but there's a they

2578
01:42:13,979 --> 01:42:12,460
usually come across as whispers

2579
01:42:16,500 --> 01:42:13,989
sometimes they come across this distinct

2580
01:42:19,860 --> 01:42:16,510
voices we've heard we've gotten accents

2581
01:42:21,570 --> 01:42:19,870
we've got male-female our EVP expert

2582
01:42:25,110 --> 01:42:21,580
actually went to an Indian burial ground

2583
01:42:27,180 --> 01:42:25,120
one time and got ancient patois to me

2584
01:42:31,110 --> 01:42:27,190
there's only a few people on that who

2585
01:42:32,370 --> 01:42:31,120
had a new head of talk yeah they listen

2586
01:42:34,050 --> 01:42:32,380
to the tapes and I said you know what

2587
01:42:36,270 --> 01:42:34,060
this is a language that's not even

2588
01:42:38,190 --> 01:42:36,280
spoken anymore and you know how do you

2589
01:42:39,300 --> 01:42:38,200
explain that you go to you go to Indian

2590
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:39,310
burial ground and you come back with

2591
01:42:42,780 --> 01:42:41,290
gibberish and it turns out to be an

2592
01:42:44,850 --> 01:42:42,790
ancient language that nobody even knows

2593
01:42:46,410 --> 01:42:44,860
how do you explain that you can't you

2594
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:46,420
can't say that was a stray radio wave

2595
01:42:53,729 --> 01:42:51,040
that is some kind of energy leaving some

2596
01:42:56,100 --> 01:42:53,739
sort of communication in some kind of

2597
01:42:58,830 --> 01:42:56,110
uncanny way and dead whisper the film

2598
01:43:01,800 --> 01:42:58,840
captures a lot of that and lays it out

2599
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:01,810
in a very avid entry process and so

2600
01:43:06,270 --> 01:43:04,570
that's why for a haunting phenomenon

2601
01:43:09,060 --> 01:43:06,280
it's a it's a really interesting film

2602
01:43:10,770 --> 01:43:09,070
now a lot of times of course you see

2603
01:43:13,260 --> 01:43:10,780
where things happening on these TV

2604
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:13,270
reality shows we go to a haunted house

2605
01:43:17,250 --> 01:43:14,770
and here's what's gonna happen

2606
01:43:20,220 --> 01:43:17,260
now in those cases I expect most of that

2607
01:43:22,740 --> 01:43:20,230
is staged isn't it well you know I can't

2608
01:43:24,510 --> 01:43:22,750
speak for these guys I know that that

2609
01:43:25,530 --> 01:43:24,520
there's some of it is and and I know

2610
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:25,540
that some of it isn't

2611
01:43:30,750 --> 01:43:28,960
and um there's been stories you know

2612
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:30,760
we're like a ghost hunting show has been

2613
01:43:34,530 --> 01:43:32,560
caught like oh they weren't a fleeting

2614
01:43:35,790 --> 01:43:34,540
white so you're in a sheet and then they

2615
01:43:37,580 --> 01:43:35,800
freeze the frames and is this leading

2616
01:43:40,110 --> 01:43:37,590
white figure is wearing tennis shoes I

2617
01:43:41,729 --> 01:43:40,120
imagine when you're under the gun to

2618
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:41,739
collect paranormal evidence and every

2619
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:43,090
week you have to deliver

2620
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:45,250
perhaps there's compromises to take

2621
01:43:49,110 --> 01:43:46,810
place that's why Chris and I don't make

2622
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:49,120
paranormal TV shows we make DVDs and we

2623
01:43:52,170 --> 01:43:51,730
make original media and we take a year

2624
01:43:54,420 --> 01:43:52,180
to do it

2625
01:43:55,950 --> 01:43:54,430
and we put it out and then you don't

2626
01:43:58,860 --> 01:43:55,960
have a producer coming back and saying

2627
01:44:01,380 --> 01:43:58,870
at 47 minutes into the show the first

2628
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:01,390
ghost appears and at 48 minutes

2629
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:02,770
everybody is running out of the house

2630
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:04,810
and you capture they're screaming and

2631
01:44:08,370 --> 01:44:06,730
yelling and then you have the music and

2632
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:08,380
then you go right to the commercial and

2633
01:44:10,819 --> 01:44:10,570
when you come back they discuss it you

2634
01:44:13,429 --> 01:44:10,829
can

2635
01:44:15,469 --> 01:44:13,439
have that because obviously that may not

2636
01:44:17,419 --> 01:44:15,479
be what happens in the real world we

2637
01:44:26,590 --> 01:44:17,429
have Ron James with gene and Chris

2638
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2662
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here's Jane Steinberg with Jeana and

2672
01:46:04,270 --> 01:46:01,489
Chris here in the para cast final hour

2673
01:46:06,729 --> 01:46:04,280
of our episode with filmmaker Ron James

2674
01:46:09,609 --> 01:46:06,739
we started out discussing the disclosure

2675
01:46:11,229 --> 01:46:09,619
dialogs but we've segwayed into their

2676
01:46:14,290 --> 01:46:11,239
studies of the paranormal of course

2677
01:46:18,250 --> 01:46:14,300
Chris is playing two hats here he is

2678
01:46:19,779 --> 01:46:18,260
co-host and he is one of the people

2679
01:46:22,419 --> 01:46:19,789
involved and working with Ron on these

2680
01:46:24,429 --> 01:46:22,429
films Chris we have more questions now

2681
01:46:26,439 --> 01:46:24,439
from our audience focusing on the

2682
01:46:29,109 --> 01:46:26,449
paranormal aspects maybe bring some of

2683
01:46:31,569 --> 01:46:29,119
those in well I think Ron gave some

2684
01:46:34,020 --> 01:46:31,579
really good examples that answer this

2685
01:46:36,310 --> 01:46:34,030
next question comes from our longtime

2686
01:46:39,250 --> 01:46:36,320
moderator Angelo who's one of our

2687
01:46:42,129 --> 01:46:39,260
resident skeptics he has a Mario cartoon

2688
01:46:44,409 --> 01:46:42,139
avatar with a leering grin on its face

2689
01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:44,419
with so many ways of explaining

2690
01:46:48,219 --> 01:46:46,880
hauntings why do you choose to veer

2691
01:46:49,959 --> 01:46:48,229
towards the paranormal

2692
01:46:51,819 --> 01:46:49,969
why ignore the fact that there are so

2693
01:46:53,649 --> 01:46:51,829
many possible explanations for it for

2694
01:46:55,299 --> 01:46:53,659
everything I'll use myself as an example

2695
01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:55,309
I used to believe in go so whenever

2696
01:46:58,870 --> 01:46:56,570
something weird would happen I would

2697
01:47:00,520 --> 01:46:58,880
think it was paranormal after learning

2698
01:47:01,929 --> 01:47:00,530
about how the human brain works I

2699
01:47:03,699 --> 01:47:01,939
realized that pretty much anything that

2700
01:47:06,339 --> 01:47:03,709
happens that could be thought of as a

2701
01:47:07,779 --> 01:47:06,349
haunting could be explained anyway is

2702
01:47:09,279 --> 01:47:07,789
there something you can point to the

2703
01:47:11,469 --> 01:47:09,289
can't be explained and I think you did a

2704
01:47:13,089 --> 01:47:11,479
good job for there's a time dilation you

2705
01:47:15,609 --> 01:47:13,099
answered the question before it was even

2706
01:47:17,649 --> 01:47:15,619
asked sure well Chris we didn't you can

2707
01:47:20,589 --> 01:47:17,659
cover the time dilation that was the

2708
01:47:22,089 --> 01:47:20,599
strangest one I think yeah I still don't

2709
01:47:24,189 --> 01:47:22,099
know what to make of this when when we

2710
01:47:26,919 --> 01:47:24,199
arrived at Rico DS which is a fairly

2711
01:47:29,739 --> 01:47:26,929
notorious haunted site that reputed the

2712
01:47:32,379 --> 01:47:29,749
Al Capone had back in the 20s as his

2713
01:47:35,140 --> 01:47:32,389
country home had a bordello secret

2714
01:47:39,699 --> 01:47:35,150
passageways to smuggle you know bootleg

2715
01:47:42,219 --> 01:47:39,709
liquor number of deaths happened in the

2716
01:47:46,529 --> 01:47:42,229
place it became a bikers bar we know

2717
01:47:49,089 --> 01:47:46,539
people died overdoses the other horrific

2718
01:47:50,589 --> 01:47:49,099
deaths in the place over the years and

2719
01:47:52,659 --> 01:47:50,599
so we went to this place and upon

2720
01:47:54,729 --> 01:47:52,669
arriving the owner it's not a restaurant

2721
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:54,739
called Rico DS and the owner or it was

2722
01:47:57,209 --> 01:47:56,570
at the time the owner medicine said you

2723
01:47:58,680 --> 01:47:57,219
can go anywhere

2724
01:48:01,560 --> 01:47:58,690
want that you can't go to the Attic so

2725
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:01,570
one of our crew members on the sly

2726
01:48:06,149 --> 01:48:03,610
of course ran up to the attic with a

2727
01:48:08,399 --> 01:48:06,159
with a digital recorder and clicked it

2728
01:48:10,500 --> 01:48:08,409
on record and then ran back down so

2729
01:48:13,410 --> 01:48:10,510
within five minutes of arriving somebody

2730
01:48:15,239 --> 01:48:13,420
had already if we had known we probably

2731
01:48:16,649 --> 01:48:15,249
would have gotten mad but somebody is on

2732
01:48:19,620 --> 01:48:16,659
their own initiative went up and through

2733
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:19,630
a recording device up in the Indiana so

2734
01:48:23,250 --> 01:48:21,010
we go through the investigation I think

2735
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:23,260
with about 45 minutes to an hour later

2736
01:48:27,540 --> 01:48:26,050
well standing there was five of us out

2737
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:27,550
of the group I think of eight that was

2738
01:48:32,250 --> 01:48:30,010
standing in the upstairs kind of sitting

2739
01:48:34,140 --> 01:48:32,260
room area and I was changing out

2740
01:48:36,180 --> 01:48:34,150
batteries and we didn't have anything

2741
01:48:38,029 --> 01:48:36,190
recording unfortunately I wish we had

2742
01:48:40,770 --> 01:48:38,039
but there was a lull in the conversation

2743
01:48:43,049 --> 01:48:40,780
everybody been keeping their voices you

2744
01:48:44,580 --> 01:48:43,059
know fairly lowly modulated nobody was

2745
01:48:46,859 --> 01:48:44,590
whispering or anything but everybody was

2746
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:46,869
was talking in them you know in a low

2747
01:48:51,509 --> 01:48:49,090
voice and then there was a one of those

2748
01:48:53,399 --> 01:48:51,519
moments in a room where there's five

2749
01:48:56,189 --> 01:48:53,409
people and nobody is saying a thing and

2750
01:49:01,410 --> 01:48:56,199
out of the clear blue loud as a bell we

2751
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:01,420
had a few I mean everybody well it was a

2752
01:49:07,290 --> 01:49:03,489
few but I can't say that word on on

2753
01:49:10,140 --> 01:49:07,300
broadcast radio so which is interesting

2754
01:49:12,779 --> 01:49:10,150
because most of our best EVPs were swear

2755
01:49:14,609 --> 01:49:12,789
words so it kind of that particular

2756
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:14,619
place it was in that particular place

2757
01:49:18,989 --> 01:49:16,570
yeah basically you have to get the DVD

2758
01:49:23,129 --> 01:49:18,999
to hear the words unfettered uncensored

2759
01:49:24,750 --> 01:49:23,139
yeah anyway and the EVPs were completely

2760
01:49:27,149 --> 01:49:24,760
different we go to this place with this

2761
01:49:28,919 --> 01:49:27,159
mob history in this biker history and we

2762
01:49:31,169 --> 01:49:28,929
capture voices on tape say and every

2763
01:49:33,629 --> 01:49:31,179
customers in the book and and and we and

2764
01:49:36,750 --> 01:49:33,639
this fu that happened and it's just it's

2765
01:49:39,959 --> 01:49:36,760
so bizarre how the energies of the EVPs

2766
01:49:42,719 --> 01:49:39,969
change based on where you're at and what

2767
01:49:44,609 --> 01:49:42,729
kind of residual stuff is supposed to be

2768
01:49:47,310 --> 01:49:44,619
there well keep going with the story

2769
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:47,320
Chris it's just yeah I immediately of

2770
01:49:51,089 --> 01:49:49,210
course I immediately looked around and

2771
01:49:51,629 --> 01:49:51,099
everybody said simultaneously did you

2772
01:49:54,029 --> 01:49:51,639
hear that

2773
01:49:57,149 --> 01:49:54,039
and so I quickly threw a battery on and

2774
01:49:59,850 --> 01:49:57,159
I continued recording and then writers

2775
01:50:01,739 --> 01:49:59,860
is just within seconds near the other

2776
01:50:03,540 --> 01:50:01,749
team members including you know the

2777
01:50:06,870 --> 01:50:03,550
owner of the place walked into the room

2778
01:50:08,850 --> 01:50:06,880
and I'm filming this and you know we

2779
01:50:11,009 --> 01:50:08,860
tell him what just happened and he what

2780
01:50:14,039 --> 01:50:11,019
What did he say he said I can't believe

2781
01:50:14,759 --> 01:50:14,049
he said something else yeah that was

2782
01:50:17,549 --> 01:50:14,769
something else

2783
01:50:19,589 --> 01:50:17,559
Wow and so you know we got this you know

2784
01:50:21,809 --> 01:50:19,599
obviously we recording this on video so

2785
01:50:24,119 --> 01:50:21,819
we got this in the room well when we

2786
01:50:26,099 --> 01:50:24,129
went to retrieve the recording device in

2787
01:50:27,989 --> 01:50:26,109
the Attic later we were given permission

2788
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:27,999
to go up there and we were treated it

2789
01:50:33,679 --> 01:50:30,449
when we were viewed the evidence on that

2790
01:50:36,929 --> 01:50:33,689
recording device five minutes after that

2791
01:50:40,049 --> 01:50:36,939
recorder had been put down about 45 to

2792
01:50:42,269 --> 01:50:40,059
50 minutes before dawn said what was

2793
01:50:43,349 --> 01:50:42,279
that phrase again I I can't believe that

2794
01:50:49,109 --> 01:50:43,359
Wow

2795
01:50:51,929 --> 01:50:49,119
recorder 45 minutes early is a voice

2796
01:50:52,679 --> 01:50:51,939
that sounds like dawn saying that was

2797
01:50:55,229 --> 01:50:52,689
something else

2798
01:50:59,369 --> 01:50:55,239
Wow but it's different it's not that

2799
01:51:01,409 --> 01:50:59,379
it's not a duplication of it sounds kind

2800
01:51:03,449 --> 01:51:01,419
of like him but it's not and in that in

2801
01:51:05,519 --> 01:51:03,459
the inflection is in the wrong place the

2802
01:51:08,699 --> 01:51:05,529
timing is a little off but how do you

2803
01:51:10,829 --> 01:51:08,709
explain that 45 minutes before the event

2804
01:51:11,579 --> 01:51:10,839
happens that prompts the owner to say

2805
01:51:13,589 --> 01:51:11,589
those words

2806
01:51:16,229 --> 01:51:13,599
45 minutes prior to that we haven't

2807
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:16,239
almost an identical recording from the

2808
01:51:23,339 --> 01:51:19,119
attic which was you know upstairs and 40

2809
01:51:25,739 --> 01:51:23,349
feet away so after an EVP that says

2810
01:51:28,079 --> 01:51:25,749
something that's actually originated by

2811
01:51:30,359 --> 01:51:28,089
a human nearly an hour later and it's

2812
01:51:32,399 --> 01:51:30,369
not watching and and that whole place is

2813
01:51:34,679 --> 01:51:32,409
like walking into a you know walking

2814
01:51:36,899 --> 01:51:34,689
into a vortex and between the psychic

2815
01:51:38,789 --> 01:51:36,909
stuff that happened there and the we

2816
01:51:41,279 --> 01:51:38,799
Scott's and visual anomalies there and

2817
01:51:43,409 --> 01:51:41,289
we certainly got a boatload of EVP there

2818
01:51:45,389 --> 01:51:43,419
and and then here's this thing where

2819
01:51:48,089 --> 01:51:45,399
it's almost like something happened with

2820
01:51:50,639 --> 01:51:48,099
with time itself that enabled something

2821
01:51:51,179 --> 01:51:50,649
to be some sort of time dilation going

2822
01:51:53,039 --> 01:51:51,189
on

2823
01:51:54,929 --> 01:51:53,049
I would so freaked out when I found it

2824
01:51:56,459 --> 01:51:54,939
that I didn't even I talked to Kris I'm

2825
01:51:58,709 --> 01:51:56,469
like dude we came we can't put this in

2826
01:52:00,419 --> 01:51:58,719
nobody's gonna believe it and we did put

2827
01:52:02,389 --> 01:52:00,429
again and and it's documented the

2828
01:52:04,739 --> 01:52:02,399
timestamps on it on the cameras are

2829
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:04,749
significantly more ahead than the

2830
01:52:08,969 --> 01:52:06,489
timestamps on them it's almost an hour I

2831
01:52:10,049 --> 01:52:08,979
think was 45 to 50 minutes you know if I

2832
01:52:12,689 --> 01:52:10,059
remember correctly it's been a while

2833
01:52:14,219 --> 01:52:12,699
since a weird thing to have happen that

2834
01:52:17,699 --> 01:52:14,229
you know we couldn't have made this up

2835
01:52:19,769 --> 01:52:17,709
it's just incredible what we caught and

2836
01:52:21,899 --> 01:52:19,779
that whole you know dead whispers full

2837
01:52:24,330 --> 01:52:21,909
of stuff like that but the big question

2838
01:52:27,300 --> 01:52:24,340
I guess is do we prove to Angelo

2839
01:52:29,220 --> 01:52:27,310
that what your report here is accurate

2840
01:52:30,270 --> 01:52:29,230
and not something that you're mistaken

2841
01:52:32,550 --> 01:52:30,280
for something else

2842
01:52:35,729 --> 01:52:32,560
I have a response to what he said and

2843
01:52:39,020 --> 01:52:35,739
and that is that if your explanation for

2844
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:39,030
seeing a ghost is because your mind was

2845
01:52:43,979 --> 01:52:41,170
utilizing some kind of chemical reaction

2846
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:43,989
or some kind of scientifically provable

2847
01:52:49,470 --> 01:52:46,449
thing that enabled you to see and

2848
01:52:51,479 --> 01:52:49,480
experience a ghost or there was

2849
01:52:53,129 --> 01:52:51,489
something in the external reality that

2850
01:52:55,260 --> 01:52:53,139
triggered that experience for your mind

2851
01:52:57,120 --> 01:52:55,270
the more we're learning about the very

2852
01:53:00,419 --> 01:52:57,130
nature of reality and how we literally

2853
01:53:01,830 --> 01:53:00,429
create our own reality it's really not

2854
01:53:03,689 --> 01:53:01,840
worth asking anymore what's the

2855
01:53:05,220 --> 01:53:03,699
difference because the fact of the

2856
01:53:08,540 --> 01:53:05,230
matter is that we're living in a world

2857
01:53:12,660 --> 01:53:08,550
where our perceptions are our reality so

2858
01:53:15,300 --> 01:53:12,670
and our reality based on our perceptions

2859
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:15,310
is just as viable as anything that we

2860
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:17,770
can say it's real or not so if you if

2861
01:53:21,060 --> 01:53:19,840
you experience something you can come up

2862
01:53:23,850 --> 01:53:21,070
with a whole lot of different reasons

2863
01:53:25,470 --> 01:53:23,860
why it was what it was but the fact of

2864
01:53:27,030 --> 01:53:25,480
the matter is we're living in a quantum

2865
01:53:29,399 --> 01:53:27,040
world they can all be true and they can

2866
01:53:31,229 --> 01:53:29,409
all be false at the same time and that's

2867
01:53:33,330 --> 01:53:31,239
what I mean when I when I say that the

2868
01:53:35,879 --> 01:53:33,340
our understanding of the very nature of

2869
01:53:37,709 --> 01:53:35,889
our reality is going to be expanded as

2870
01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:37,719
we learn more and more about what causes

2871
01:53:42,060 --> 01:53:39,130
these things to happen in the first

2872
01:53:45,060 --> 01:53:42,070
place so I'm not discounting what he

2873
01:53:48,419 --> 01:53:45,070
said here I'm just saying it fits right

2874
01:53:50,580 --> 01:53:48,429
in you know good good point I you know I

2875
01:53:53,790 --> 01:53:50,590
occurred that as well I think I think

2876
01:53:56,430 --> 01:53:53,800
the there is a reflective quality to the

2877
01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:56,440
paranormal to you you followed UFO

2878
01:54:01,080 --> 01:53:58,239
sightings as well I mean I've had

2879
01:54:02,820 --> 01:54:01,090
multiple witness cases where a group of

2880
01:54:05,070 --> 01:54:02,830
people are standing there and everybody

2881
01:54:07,140 --> 01:54:05,080
can see the object except for one why

2882
01:54:08,930 --> 01:54:07,150
couldn't that person see it you know

2883
01:54:11,399 --> 01:54:08,940
when when the first European

2884
01:54:14,089 --> 01:54:11,409
conquistador he saw the Grand Canyon for

2885
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:14,099
instance for the first time their brains

2886
01:54:18,750 --> 01:54:17,530
literally could not assimilate what they

2887
01:54:21,479 --> 01:54:18,760
were looking at their brains couldn't

2888
01:54:23,700 --> 01:54:21,489
process the information they thought

2889
01:54:25,709 --> 01:54:23,710
that the canyon was a mile wide and that

2890
01:54:27,300 --> 01:54:25,719
the river was only 30 feet wide it

2891
01:54:29,129 --> 01:54:27,310
wasn't until they tried to go down to

2892
01:54:30,750 --> 01:54:29,139
the river that they realized that their

2893
01:54:32,939 --> 01:54:30,760
brains had fooled them into thinking

2894
01:54:36,359 --> 01:54:32,949
that it was something in the by a factor

2895
01:54:37,900 --> 01:54:36,369
of 10 smaller so the human mind is is

2896
01:54:40,870 --> 01:54:37,910
there is a wonderful organ

2897
01:54:43,930 --> 01:54:40,880
complex organ that we know of in the

2898
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:43,940
universe and at least uphill at this

2899
01:54:49,450 --> 01:54:46,250
point and some of the things I think

2900
01:54:51,820 --> 01:54:49,460
that are found at your better haunted

2901
01:54:56,260 --> 01:54:51,830
sites I think some of these phenomenal

2902
01:54:58,210 --> 01:54:56,270
events really deserve a study and it's

2903
01:55:00,190 --> 01:54:58,220
it's unfortunate that these ghost shows

2904
01:55:01,810 --> 01:55:00,200
that have to come up with week after

2905
01:55:05,260 --> 01:55:01,820
week year after year have to come up

2906
01:55:07,930 --> 01:55:05,270
with types of scenarios that talked last

2907
01:55:10,030 --> 01:55:07,940
week's episode it just doesn't work that

2908
01:55:13,210 --> 01:55:10,040
way and I think when we had dr. Barry

2909
01:55:16,240 --> 01:55:13,220
Taff on a month or so ago he really

2910
01:55:18,490 --> 01:55:16,250
blasted me shows for giving a real false

2911
01:55:20,410 --> 01:55:18,500
sense to the public of what these

2912
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:20,420
phenomenal events are all about you know

2913
01:55:24,100 --> 01:55:21,650
I'll tell you what we have to find out

2914
01:55:25,930 --> 01:55:24,110
what this is all about first we have Ron

2915
01:55:36,090 --> 01:55:25,940
James joining us with Gene and Chris

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earlier now we're focusing on the stuff

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with a more paranormal event I know in

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our forums at forum dr. Perik asked um

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Chris a lot of discussions about dr.

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taff's appearance i think berry is he's

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a guy that kind of walks his own his own

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path he really is very outspoken I mean

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he's a credentialed scientist who's you

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know investigated over 4,100 cases over

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the years including the famous case of

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in California that they turned into the

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movie entity with Barbara Hershey and he

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looks at this stuff I think from an

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intensely scientific way but the fact

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that he's also a sensitive by Nature

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is also a very compelling aspect to his

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work so we need more people like Barry

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Taff in the field people that are

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credentialed scientists are open-minded

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enough to to look at these subjects and

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investigate them scientifically I have a

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couple of other questions that I've into

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the whole subject of EVPs this is an

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area that's becoming more and more

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controversial especially with those

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skeptics and this question comes from

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Poulter worst who's a fairly recent

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addition he's been a forum poster for a

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year and he says hey that Deadwood

3056
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whisper stuff sure looks interesting and

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he writes the lesser classes are quite

3058
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easy to dismiss I'm afraid only the

3059
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Class A EVPs where people seem to get

3060
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quite clear albeit not always sensible

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02:01:43,579 --> 02:01:40,169
voices talking and even answering them

3062
02:01:45,739 --> 02:01:43,589
might be possible paranormal coincidence

3063
02:01:47,750 --> 02:01:45,749
did you get any Class A EVPs yourself

3064
02:01:49,939 --> 02:01:47,760
what do you think they are that's the

3065
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part one of the question many asks you

3066
02:01:53,779 --> 02:01:52,050
think they're people faking them so what

3067
02:01:56,719 --> 02:01:53,789
do you think one you want me to take a

3068
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stab at that first and then I as yet

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unrevealed theory of

3070
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Echo's kind of talks to that right

3071
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that's true too but I suppose I could

3072
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put it out right now it would be the

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orchestra to strike up the band here or

3074
02:02:21,230 --> 02:02:18,900
just like drum roll that's Chris's

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drumroll by the way I know it's not the

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best drum kit but it works did people

3077
02:02:31,100 --> 02:02:29,010
fake EVPs they might shame on them if

3078
02:02:34,040 --> 02:02:31,110
they do the fact of the matter is on

3079
02:02:36,380 --> 02:02:34,050
EVPs a real EVP has a very weird sense

3080
02:02:39,020 --> 02:02:36,390
to it and it almost has an energy that

3081
02:02:40,820 --> 02:02:39,030
rides the air so when you when you're

3082
02:02:43,630 --> 02:02:40,830
hearing a real EVP you don't only hear

3083
02:02:46,550 --> 02:02:43,640
it you feel it on some some level it

3084
02:02:51,020 --> 02:02:46,560
actually registers to your physical

3085
02:02:53,630 --> 02:02:51,030
energy so people are really no EVPs can

3086
02:02:55,310 --> 02:02:53,640
kind of tell and I haven't seen a lot of

3087
02:02:57,740 --> 02:02:55,320
instances where people are faking stuff

3088
02:02:59,600 --> 02:02:57,750
I know a dead whisperer we were really

3089
02:03:02,270 --> 02:02:59,610
really careful to deliver everything

3090
02:03:03,920 --> 02:03:02,280
perfectly we didn't enhance it we clean

3091
02:03:05,510 --> 02:03:03,930
stuff up but we didn't enhance it we

3092
02:03:08,090 --> 02:03:05,520
didn't do anything to make it easier to

3093
02:03:10,250 --> 02:03:08,100
understand beyond just normal audio

3094
02:03:11,600 --> 02:03:10,260
filters and so you know I hope there's

3095
02:03:13,250 --> 02:03:11,610
not people out there faking EVP

3096
02:03:15,800 --> 02:03:13,260
especially people that are making films

3097
02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:15,810
or making TV shows if you are you know

3098
02:03:19,460 --> 02:03:17,490
shame on you for doing that anybody

3099
02:03:21,470 --> 02:03:19,470
who's serious about what we're doing we

3100
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are trying to find and present the

3101
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evidence that will change the way

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humanity looks at its existence and if

3103
02:03:29,810 --> 02:03:27,660
there's people out there that are faking

3104
02:03:31,640 --> 02:03:29,820
stuff for the sake of for the sake of

3105
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what you know this is serious business

3106
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this makes it harder you know for it for

3107
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people who don't understand that the

3108
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proof of life after death could very

3109
02:03:44,200 --> 02:03:41,100
well come from somebody on a paranormal

3110
02:03:46,970 --> 02:03:44,210
investigation this is it the proof of

3111
02:03:48,800 --> 02:03:46,980
alien species interacting with planet

3112
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Earth could very well come from

3113
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filmmakers making films like us or from

3114
02:03:54,380 --> 02:03:53,280
the guys doing the research so if if

3115
02:03:56,600 --> 02:03:54,390
somebody is out there actually

3116
02:03:58,730 --> 02:03:56,610
fabricating stuff exaggerating evidence

3117
02:04:00,410 --> 02:03:58,740
doing any of that you're not only doing

3118
02:04:01,970 --> 02:04:00,420
a disservice to yourself that you're

3119
02:04:04,730 --> 02:04:01,980
doing a disservice to all of humanity

3120
02:04:06,620 --> 02:04:04,740
because we're not doing this because

3121
02:04:08,540 --> 02:04:06,630
it's fun and games we're doing this

3122
02:04:11,540 --> 02:04:08,550
because we are seeking the answers to

3123
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the biggest questions facing human

3124
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not the little questions not the

3125
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medium-sized questions the biggest

3126
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questions is there life after death are

3127
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:20,850
we alone in the universe and and if

3128
02:04:23,900 --> 02:04:22,410
you're out there being a part of the

3129
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community of people who is trying to

3130
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find those answers well congratulations

3131
02:04:30,050 --> 02:04:27,900
and if you're one of those people out

3132
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there and I know I know there's a few

3133
02:04:32,330 --> 02:04:31,500
out there but there's not that many but

3134
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if you're one of those people out there

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taking a laksa days you'll approach and

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and not really caring about States

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staying in integrity of what you deliver

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and you're faking stuff for TV shows and

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you're faking stuff for your articles

3140
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well you're really part of the problem

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and if there's anybody out there like

3142
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that that's listening that's what I have

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to say about that they know who they

3144
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really take exception to that stuff I

3145
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think that there's too many people

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working too hard and and yeah and the

3147
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questions are too important and so if

3148
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you're out there just being not being an

3149
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integrity with what you're delivering to

3150
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the public and and you're faking

3151
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evidence just for who knows what reason

3152
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you want to be famous you know go to put

3153
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a video of the cat on YouTube well one

3154
02:05:17,210 --> 02:05:15,960
of the things about one of the things

3155
02:05:18,890 --> 02:05:17,220
one about dead whisper we should

3156
02:05:21,500 --> 02:05:18,900
probably remind everybody is one of my

3157
02:05:24,200 --> 02:05:21,510
main jobs was the the evidence chain and

3158
02:05:27,200 --> 02:05:24,210
making sure we kept as accurate as

3159
02:05:29,770 --> 02:05:27,210
possible documentation of our recordings

3160
02:05:32,030 --> 02:05:29,780
when when recorders were switched on

3161
02:05:34,070 --> 02:05:32,040
what went with what I mean although

3162
02:05:36,170 --> 02:05:34,080
there is an evidence chain here that you

3163
02:05:39,170 --> 02:05:36,180
kind of had me be responsible for so I

3164
02:05:42,290 --> 02:05:39,180
I'm I sign off on the on the accuracy

3165
02:05:44,030 --> 02:05:42,300
and there was nothing switched around

3166
02:05:47,390 --> 02:05:44,040
everything pretty much comes in the

3167
02:05:49,090 --> 02:05:47,400
order in which it occurred with I don't

3168
02:05:52,070 --> 02:05:49,100
think any exceptions to that

3169
02:05:54,440 --> 02:05:52,080
yeah they happened exactly where and a

3170
02:05:56,510 --> 02:05:54,450
lot of times when we in fact every time

3171
02:05:59,660 --> 02:05:56,520
that we're showing the EVPs we're plot

3172
02:06:01,610 --> 02:05:59,670
we play the video in where possible

3173
02:06:03,650 --> 02:06:01,620
which in almost all of them what was we

3174
02:06:05,750 --> 02:06:03,660
play the video and then we show you the

3175
02:06:08,360 --> 02:06:05,760
audio waveform that came off a separate

3176
02:06:10,160 --> 02:06:08,370
recording device and we play the we play

3177
02:06:11,870 --> 02:06:10,170
the audio that came from the human that

3178
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:11,880
matches the video and then you get to

3179
02:06:15,140 --> 02:06:13,530
hear the EVP and then you get to hear

3180
02:06:17,180 --> 02:06:15,150
with your human said afterwards you know

3181
02:06:18,620 --> 02:06:17,190
we were the first ones to do that yeah I

3182
02:06:21,140 --> 02:06:18,630
haven't really seen anybody do a better

3183
02:06:23,540 --> 02:06:21,150
job it's a it's in the evidence section

3184
02:06:25,850 --> 02:06:23,550
of dead whisper and you know if you're

3185
02:06:26,059 --> 02:06:25,860
interested in this film we also Kristen

3186
02:06:29,149 --> 02:06:26,069
I

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so made one called ghost asylum and then

3188
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we also have an audio book that I did a

3189
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long time ago as a fiction writer but

3190
02:06:39,859 --> 02:06:36,689
it's about ghosts and things and you can

3191
02:06:42,859 --> 02:06:39,869
get dead whisper ghost asylum and the

3192
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audio CD all on paranormal media group

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folks we do have a link to the site over

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at the para cast com

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02:06:53,689 --> 02:06:50,909
so if you link on the disclosure

3197
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dialogues you'll go to the entire store

3198
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you'll be able to look at all the films

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they did and I won't send you a bill for

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this run why thank you well in answer to

3201
02:07:05,899 --> 02:07:02,879
the first part of the question did we

3202
02:07:09,409 --> 02:07:05,909
get any class EVPs ourselves yes we did

3203
02:07:11,750 --> 02:07:09,419
and and we're quite proud of that our

3204
02:07:14,539 --> 02:07:11,760
EVP expert Michael Esposito who's been

3205
02:07:16,279 --> 02:07:14,549
on the show is sitting on a collection

3206
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of EVPs that he's gotten around the

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world there is just a staggering

3208
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including me the extinct patois t'me EVP

3209
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and Ron you were beginning to talk about

3210
02:07:31,659 --> 02:07:28,589
the conscious echoes theory in your

3211
02:07:35,209 --> 02:07:31,669
hypothesis that could possibly explain

3212
02:07:37,669 --> 02:07:35,219
an aspect of hauntings at the very least

3213
02:07:39,020 --> 02:07:37,679
and and and it dovetails with the EVP

3214
02:07:40,729 --> 02:07:39,030
phenomena as well you want it you want

3215
02:07:43,250 --> 02:07:40,739
to just give our listeners a thumbnail

3216
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on there yeah you know one of the things

3217
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that we're always dealing with when we

3218
02:07:50,149 --> 02:07:47,369
look at what's causing the paranormal

3219
02:07:53,739 --> 02:07:50,159
phenomenon is that when you actually get

3220
02:07:56,089 --> 02:07:53,749
an interactive EVP then it kind of

3221
02:07:58,159 --> 02:07:56,099
poo-poos a lot of theories if you

3222
02:08:00,379 --> 02:07:58,169
believe that what you just got was truly

3223
02:08:01,699 --> 02:08:00,389
something interacting then there's a lot

3224
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of ideas about what's causing paranormal

3225
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phenomena and one of them that

3226
02:08:07,489 --> 02:08:06,149
especially scientists like to like if

3227
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they have to support something it's the

3228
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one that they like to at least say as

3229
02:08:14,569 --> 02:08:11,339
possible is that what you're picking up

3230
02:08:16,639 --> 02:08:14,579
is an echo on space-time okay well let's

3231
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have this echo first it's going to echo

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hello this is John Burroughs one of the

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witnesses to the Rendlesham UFO incident

3344
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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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with gene and Chris you're in the para

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02:12:57,490 --> 02:12:55,850
cast and we're featuring Ron James who's

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worked with Chris on number projects

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obviously the disclosure dialogues the

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award-winning documentary could happen

3350
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tomorrow and a dead whisper in search of

3351
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ghosts and the supernatural you want to

3352
02:13:12,280 --> 02:13:10,040
pick further discussion on this run or

3353
02:13:14,260 --> 02:13:12,290
let Chris go to another question well I

3354
02:13:16,600 --> 02:13:14,270
think since the guy was asking about the

3355
02:13:18,640 --> 02:13:16,610
EVPs will lay this out this is a very

3356
02:13:19,990 --> 02:13:18,650
controversial idea but it makes a lot of

3357
02:13:22,149 --> 02:13:20,000
sense and I've discussed it with a lot

3358
02:13:24,370 --> 02:13:22,159
of people and I get mixed reactions my

3359
02:13:25,540 --> 02:13:24,380
feeling is that there's a lot of

3360
02:13:27,640 --> 02:13:25,550
different things that are causing the

3361
02:13:29,919 --> 02:13:27,650
paranormal encounters but the idea that

3362
02:13:31,419 --> 02:13:29,929
there are spirits like soul spirits of

3363
02:13:33,580 --> 02:13:31,429
human beings that are trapped someplace

3364
02:13:35,320 --> 02:13:33,590
that's never set well with me and the

3365
02:13:37,450 --> 02:13:35,330
reason it hasn't set well with me is

3366
02:13:38,590 --> 02:13:37,460
because I think that you know human

3367
02:13:41,140 --> 02:13:38,600
beings having a spiritual experience

3368
02:13:43,450 --> 02:13:41,150
here in this place I find it was just

3369
02:13:45,070 --> 02:13:43,460
really difficult to grasp that we go

3370
02:13:47,350 --> 02:13:45,080
through our learning process and

3371
02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:47,360
everything that we do here only to be

3372
02:13:52,419 --> 02:13:50,330
lost in some netherworld for good lord

3373
02:13:54,399 --> 02:13:52,429
knows how much time it just doesn't seem

3374
02:13:57,160 --> 02:13:54,409
like a like an evolutionary process of

3375
02:13:58,479 --> 02:13:57,170
the spirit I suppose it could happen in

3376
02:14:01,750 --> 02:13:58,489
some occasions and maybe it's just

3377
02:14:03,459 --> 02:14:01,760
another realm of existence but it never

3378
02:14:05,350 --> 02:14:03,469
really resonated with me in my

3379
02:14:07,959 --> 02:14:05,360
investigations but that left me with a

3380
02:14:11,530 --> 02:14:07,969
lot of questions we have to answer there

3381
02:14:15,459 --> 02:14:11,540
is the idea that paranormal phenomenon

3382
02:14:16,750 --> 02:14:15,469
is literally echoes on space-time so in

3383
02:14:19,810 --> 02:14:16,760
other words something really drastic

3384
02:14:21,820 --> 02:14:19,820
happens and it leaves an impression and

3385
02:14:23,860 --> 02:14:21,830
quantum physics is telling us the time

3386
02:14:26,890 --> 02:14:23,870
is it's simply another dimension it's an

3387
02:14:28,590 --> 02:14:26,900
illusion we experience time sequentially

3388
02:14:32,950 --> 02:14:28,600
that it actually exists simultaneously

3389
02:14:35,290 --> 02:14:32,960
so perhaps in a big event an impression

3390
02:14:38,380 --> 02:14:35,300
is left on the fabric of space-time and

3391
02:14:41,169 --> 02:14:38,390
that can resonate away from its point of

3392
02:14:42,820 --> 02:14:41,179
origin through time and traces of it can

3393
02:14:44,350 --> 02:14:42,830
be picked up and that's a really

3394
02:14:47,500 --> 02:14:44,360
interesting theory and I think that it's

3395
02:14:50,770 --> 02:14:47,510
quite possibly true but it does not

3396
02:14:54,939 --> 02:14:50,780
cover the element of interactivity if

3397
02:14:57,100 --> 02:14:54,949
there's an echo on space-time and it is

3398
02:14:58,630 --> 02:14:57,110
causing paranormal that's like to say

3399
02:15:00,820 --> 02:14:58,640
you're picking up EVPs or you're seeing

3400
02:15:03,610 --> 02:15:00,830
for instance the same woman ghost that

3401
02:15:04,780 --> 02:15:03,620
walks across the same hallway and that's

3402
02:15:06,970 --> 02:15:04,790
an echo that's great

3403
02:15:09,100 --> 02:15:06,980
it's an echo it is not it's not

3404
02:15:10,900 --> 02:15:09,110
conscious it can't interact it can only

3405
02:15:14,290 --> 02:15:10,910
play itself over and over again like a

3406
02:15:15,670 --> 02:15:14,300
recording so that could explain a few

3407
02:15:17,770 --> 02:15:15,680
things but then when you get into the

3408
02:15:19,540 --> 02:15:17,780
interactive EVP you get in the

3409
02:15:20,710 --> 02:15:19,550
situations where people are interacting

3410
02:15:23,350 --> 02:15:20,720
with something

3411
02:15:25,090 --> 02:15:23,360
well this simple echo or the simple of

3412
02:15:26,770 --> 02:15:25,100
imprint on space-time just isn't enough

3413
02:15:29,110 --> 02:15:26,780
to answer the question what's causing it

3414
02:15:30,550 --> 02:15:29,120
so after a while I came up with what I

3415
02:15:32,830 --> 02:15:30,560
call the theory of conscious that goes

3416
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:32,840
and what the theory of conscious echo

3417
02:15:38,500 --> 02:15:36,010
says is that in the moment of an

3418
02:15:41,260 --> 02:15:38,510
unexpected violent death or in the

3419
02:15:44,440 --> 02:15:41,270
moment of any other kind of fast

3420
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:44,450
happening event that causes major

3421
02:15:48,700 --> 02:15:46,010
changes in life

3422
02:15:50,200 --> 02:15:48,710
or lowered life to death let's take a

3423
02:15:52,090 --> 02:15:50,210
look at what happens for instances when

3424
02:15:56,170 --> 02:15:52,100
somebody's being killed being murdered

3425
02:15:57,460 --> 02:15:56,180
the person is arguably experiencing

3426
02:15:59,650 --> 02:15:57,470
their whole life flashing before their

3427
02:16:01,300 --> 02:15:59,660
eyes adrenaline is pumping through their

3428
02:16:03,880 --> 02:16:01,310
body in a way that's never happened

3429
02:16:07,030 --> 02:16:03,890
before they are in a state of fear panic

3430
02:16:09,310 --> 02:16:07,040
pain all of these things and and this is

3431
02:16:11,560 --> 02:16:09,320
this is all coming out of the human mind

3432
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:11,570
and the human experience at one time in

3433
02:16:17,260 --> 02:16:14,330
a burst and so you take all of the

3434
02:16:18,670 --> 02:16:17,270
extremes of energy that is possible for

3435
02:16:21,130 --> 02:16:18,680
the human being and the human energy

3436
02:16:24,700 --> 02:16:21,140
field to create and you combine them

3437
02:16:27,400 --> 02:16:24,710
into this one burst of energy that just

3438
02:16:29,080 --> 02:16:27,410
happens instantaneously that realization

3439
02:16:31,630 --> 02:16:29,090
that you're going to die that that brief

3440
02:16:33,970 --> 02:16:31,640
look at your whole life that pain what

3441
02:16:36,160 --> 02:16:33,980
you get is a burst of energy that

3442
02:16:38,020 --> 02:16:36,170
happens in the moment and my theory is

3443
02:16:40,810 --> 02:16:38,030
is that that burst of energy made up of

3444
02:16:44,350 --> 02:16:40,820
those things is so intense that perhaps

3445
02:16:46,330 --> 02:16:44,360
it stays cohesive and over time begins

3446
02:16:49,030 --> 02:16:46,340
to develop a rudimentary self-awareness

3447
02:16:51,310 --> 02:16:49,040
it actually progresses so imagine now

3448
02:16:54,549 --> 02:16:51,320
that this burst of energy has created an

3449
02:16:58,240 --> 02:16:54,559
energetic almost life form that is made

3450
02:17:01,390 --> 02:16:58,250
up of perceptions of a life fear panic

3451
02:17:02,980 --> 02:17:01,400
adrenalin confusion all of these things

3452
02:17:05,379 --> 02:17:02,990
it's it's a very primitive very

3453
02:17:07,839 --> 02:17:05,389
rudimentary energetic life form that is

3454
02:17:11,770 --> 02:17:07,849
made up of just a really ugly moment and

3455
02:17:13,870 --> 02:17:11,780
as that as that embraces itself through

3456
02:17:16,270 --> 02:17:13,880
through time it becomes more and more

3457
02:17:17,799 --> 02:17:16,280
aware so that eventually you end up with

3458
02:17:18,469 --> 02:17:17,809
poltergeist activity you end up with

3459
02:17:21,559 --> 02:17:18,479
these beings

3460
02:17:23,059 --> 02:17:21,569
able to interact on tape beings that are

3461
02:17:25,910 --> 02:17:23,069
able to interact to a certain amount the

3462
02:17:27,410 --> 02:17:25,920
physical world and it's really just it's

3463
02:17:29,450 --> 02:17:27,420
it's a life form that we don't really

3464
02:17:31,580 --> 02:17:29,460
understand yet so what you end up with

3465
02:17:33,259 --> 02:17:31,590
here is a it's it's almost like a new

3466
02:17:34,879 --> 02:17:33,269
type of life form it's a life form that

3467
02:17:36,889 --> 02:17:34,889
we don't understand but it's made up of

3468
02:17:39,559 --> 02:17:36,899
the energy of that moment and the

3469
02:17:41,839 --> 02:17:39,569
thoughts and the emotions and the

3470
02:17:44,689 --> 02:17:41,849
physical sensations that happen in that

3471
02:17:46,609 --> 02:17:44,699
moment and as I said over time it began

3472
02:17:49,099 --> 02:17:46,619
it develops more and more self-awareness

3473
02:17:50,479 --> 02:17:49,109
and so what I call this is the conscious

3474
02:17:52,279 --> 02:17:50,489
echo and the reason I call it the

3475
02:17:54,769 --> 02:17:52,289
conscious echo is because it is made it

3476
02:17:57,679 --> 02:17:54,779
it is made up of that moment just as an

3477
02:17:59,569 --> 02:17:57,689
imprint on space-time but it was created

3478
02:18:01,910 --> 02:17:59,579
with such a vast amount of energy being

3479
02:18:03,859 --> 02:18:01,920
expelled that at the exact same instant

3480
02:18:05,629 --> 02:18:03,869
but perhaps it stays cohesive and

3481
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:05,639
develops its own form of self-awareness

3482
02:18:10,519 --> 02:18:08,010
so we have maybe a mental form of dr.

3483
02:18:13,700 --> 02:18:10,529
Frankenstein here yeah or you know

3484
02:18:16,450 --> 02:18:13,710
there's a there there is in some of the

3485
02:18:18,290 --> 02:18:16,460
Mid Eastern in Eastern philosophical

3486
02:18:21,169 --> 02:18:18,300
religions they have what's called a

3487
02:18:24,349 --> 02:18:21,179
Tulpa and what that is is a it's an

3488
02:18:27,109 --> 02:18:24,359
energetic being that that the mystic can

3489
02:18:28,939 --> 02:18:27,119
create to go and do his bidding and it's

3490
02:18:30,919 --> 02:18:28,949
like you you like creating a ghost

3491
02:18:32,719 --> 02:18:30,929
and so I didn't I didn't find out about

3492
02:18:35,059 --> 02:18:32,729
this until after I put the theory forth

3493
02:18:37,219 --> 02:18:35,069
in fact I put it forth to Colonel John

3494
02:18:41,450 --> 02:18:37,229
Alexander who a lot of people know for

3495
02:18:43,370 --> 02:18:41,460
his UFO connections but he's also spent

3496
02:18:45,349 --> 02:18:43,380
a whole lot of time studying death and

3497
02:18:47,779 --> 02:18:45,359
he was a perfect person had this

3498
02:18:48,979 --> 02:18:47,789
conversation with and and he's the one

3499
02:18:51,160 --> 02:18:48,989
that brought to my attention that the

3500
02:18:54,500 --> 02:18:51,170
theory of conscious echoes actually

3501
02:18:57,790 --> 02:18:54,510
creates if it's viable it creates the

3502
02:19:00,799 --> 02:18:57,800
same same type of energetic being as the

3503
02:19:02,779 --> 02:19:00,809
legend of Tulpas so it's very

3504
02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:02,789
interesting to find the correlation in

3505
02:19:07,250 --> 02:19:05,130
some sort of traditional spiritual

3506
02:19:09,979 --> 02:19:07,260
belief that says that these types of

3507
02:19:12,019 --> 02:19:09,989
beings are actually possible now when

3508
02:19:14,239 --> 02:19:12,029
you say tapas what about UFOs maybe

3509
02:19:15,950 --> 02:19:14,249
that's a possible explanation for at

3510
02:19:18,290 --> 02:19:15,960
least some of them well you know that

3511
02:19:20,149 --> 02:19:18,300
the these beings supposedly are created

3512
02:19:22,309 --> 02:19:20,159
by mystics and they're energetic

3513
02:19:23,569 --> 02:19:22,319
phenomenon that can be controlled so in

3514
02:19:25,609 --> 02:19:23,579
other words it's like I could create my

3515
02:19:27,139 --> 02:19:25,619
own little doppelganger and he could go

3516
02:19:29,359 --> 02:19:27,149
out and do stuff for me while I stayed

3517
02:19:30,489 --> 02:19:29,369
in my house and perhaps the UFOs as

3518
02:19:32,360 --> 02:19:30,499
Chris was saying earlier are

3519
02:19:36,200 --> 02:19:32,370
manifestations from the

3520
02:19:38,360 --> 02:19:36,210
elected consciousness and again when we

3521
02:19:40,310 --> 02:19:38,370
start asking those kind of questions we

3522
02:19:44,690 --> 02:19:40,320
really get into what is the nature of

3523
02:19:46,340 --> 02:19:44,700
our reality and I think that you can say

3524
02:19:47,690 --> 02:19:46,350
yes to these things you can say no to

3525
02:19:49,341 --> 02:19:47,700
these things because they can all be

3526
02:19:53,240 --> 02:19:49,351
true and they can all be false at the

3527
02:19:54,770 --> 02:19:53,250
same time and the idea that you know

3528
02:19:58,820 --> 02:19:54,780
Chris wrote stalking the tricksters and

3529
02:20:00,410 --> 02:19:58,830
that opens a whole new area of why these

3530
02:20:02,420 --> 02:20:00,420
things are appearing the humanity and

3531
02:20:04,820 --> 02:20:02,430
what they are so I think there's the

3532
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:04,830
answer is probably a combination of a

3533
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:06,720
lot of things I don't think Maya theory

3534
02:20:11,390 --> 02:20:08,880
of conscious echoes covers every

3535
02:20:13,310 --> 02:20:11,400
paranormal haunting I don't think that

3536
02:20:17,841 --> 02:20:13,320
aliens from outer space aliens from

3537
02:20:19,310 --> 02:20:17,851
other dimensions cover every bit of what

3538
02:20:20,780 --> 02:20:19,320
we're calling you know unexplained

3539
02:20:23,330 --> 02:20:20,790
aerial phenomenon and I explained

3540
02:20:24,380 --> 02:20:23,340
experiences like abductions I think that

3541
02:20:26,511 --> 02:20:24,390
there's a combination of things

3542
02:20:28,490 --> 02:20:26,521
happening and that they all point to one

3543
02:20:31,160 --> 02:20:28,500
thing and the one thing that they point

3544
02:20:34,100 --> 02:20:31,170
to is that we are living in an energetic

3545
02:20:36,530 --> 02:20:34,110
matrix that is being created and

3546
02:20:39,290 --> 02:20:36,540
physically manifested around us from

3547
02:20:42,500 --> 02:20:39,300
really nothing and we don't understand

3548
02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:42,510
what the reason is but these these

3549
02:20:47,150 --> 02:20:44,730
anomalies more and more point to the

3550
02:20:48,801 --> 02:20:47,160
fact that that's what's going on so once

3551
02:20:50,180 --> 02:20:48,811
you realize that you're living you're

3552
02:20:51,620 --> 02:20:50,190
living in literally a matrix you're

3553
02:20:53,570 --> 02:20:51,630
living in it you know you know in a

3554
02:20:55,100 --> 02:20:53,580
hologram of quantum hologram a computer

3555
02:20:57,770 --> 02:20:55,110
game almost and it's some kind of

3556
02:21:00,820 --> 02:20:57,780
advanced spiritual galactic simulation

3557
02:21:02,240 --> 02:21:00,830
the constantly constant all the time a

3558
02:21:04,490 --> 02:21:02,250
construct yes

3559
02:21:06,200 --> 02:21:04,500
yeah and then you realize that well you

3560
02:21:08,630 --> 02:21:06,210
know if it's really that true and it's

3561
02:21:11,270 --> 02:21:08,640
just a program the laws of physics or a

3562
02:21:13,700 --> 02:21:11,280
program and the energy is holding out

3563
02:21:15,740 --> 02:21:13,710
based on that program and the unused

3564
02:21:18,100 --> 02:21:15,750
portion of our human brain is what

3565
02:21:20,900 --> 02:21:18,110
actually renders the reality around us

3566
02:21:21,320 --> 02:21:20,910
then things that we say well that can't

3567
02:21:23,780 --> 02:21:21,330
be true

3568
02:21:26,120 --> 02:21:23,790
well none of that really applies anymore

3569
02:21:28,220 --> 02:21:26,130
of course it could be true anything can

3570
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be true so we just have to sit together

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in the right size room and we could make

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02:21:38,180 --> 02:21:35,700
it so so when Captain Picard says make

3573
02:21:41,000 --> 02:21:38,190
it happen or make it so we can make it

3574
02:21:43,100 --> 02:21:41,010
so and maybe we're collectively making

3575
02:21:44,820 --> 02:21:43,110
UFOs appear as they are now but a

3576
02:21:46,740 --> 02:21:44,830
hundred years from now we will make

3577
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them look different because our culture

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our society is different our

3579
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expectations are different wouldn't it

3580
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be strange if our entire reality is not

3581
02:22:00,301 --> 02:21:57,040
a reality at all just a construct this

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by the way is not a construct it is

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reality itself is it separate from us do

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we've got guys like Russell Targ and

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living in a matrix and when when the

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world of physics says yeah the world

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a there's a physics is just recently -

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finding error correcting code in the way

3724
02:28:17,530 --> 02:28:15,470
things unfold in the physical world

3725
02:28:20,020 --> 02:28:17,540
there was recently something called

3726
02:28:22,511 --> 02:28:20,030
quantum photosynthesis where plants are

3727
02:28:24,910 --> 02:28:22,521
being shown to actually use the ability

3728
02:28:27,730 --> 02:28:24,920
to go out of physical reality to process

3729
02:28:29,200 --> 02:28:27,740
photons and so what we're finding is is

3730
02:28:31,720 --> 02:28:29,210
that everybody's looking for the holy

3731
02:28:34,360 --> 02:28:31,730
grail of physics they're looking for the

3732
02:28:36,190 --> 02:28:34,370
theory of everything and they haven't

3733
02:28:38,740 --> 02:28:36,200
quite been able to stitch it together

3734
02:28:40,150 --> 02:28:38,750
and it's starting to look like one of

3735
02:28:43,060 --> 02:28:40,160
the reasons they can't stitch it

3736
02:28:45,180 --> 02:28:43,070
together is because whenever the laws of

3737
02:28:48,250 --> 02:28:45,190
physical reality run into a situation

3738
02:28:50,261 --> 02:28:48,260
where they don't quite work they simply

3739
02:28:51,700 --> 02:28:50,271
cheat they go outside the laws of

3740
02:28:54,460 --> 02:28:51,710
physical reality and then

3741
02:28:56,770 --> 02:28:54,470
come back in having created whatever

3742
02:29:00,070 --> 02:28:56,780
change they need to create so you can't

3743
02:29:01,510 --> 02:29:00,080
create the the laws of physics 100% you

3744
02:29:02,980 --> 02:29:01,520
can't create the definition of how

3745
02:29:06,130 --> 02:29:02,990
everything functions in the physical

3746
02:29:08,350 --> 02:29:06,140
reality when the way it works simply

3747
02:29:10,900 --> 02:29:08,360
allows for it to sidestep all the rules

3748
02:29:13,810 --> 02:29:10,910
when it needs to and as we find out

3749
02:29:15,880 --> 02:29:13,820
things like this you know obviously it

3750
02:29:17,620 --> 02:29:15,890
just shows more and more that the

3751
02:29:21,160 --> 02:29:17,630
phenomenon that we're experiencing are

3752
02:29:23,770 --> 02:29:21,170
all part of solving this puzzle well and

3753
02:29:26,740 --> 02:29:23,780
also you know we have to keep in mind

3754
02:29:30,550 --> 02:29:26,750
that it takes consciousness to study

3755
02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:30,560
consciousness and it's a chicken and the

3756
02:29:37,150 --> 02:29:33,130
egg kind of scenario how do you use

3757
02:29:40,920 --> 02:29:37,160
consciousness to study itself which is a

3758
02:29:43,690 --> 02:29:40,930
deep philosophical question which modern

3759
02:29:48,270 --> 02:29:43,700
you know rational science has yet to

3760
02:29:50,740 --> 02:29:48,280
really resolve if you ask you know

3761
02:29:52,450 --> 02:29:50,750
scientists from one discipline not

3762
02:29:54,010 --> 02:29:52,460
related to consciousness studies to

3763
02:29:55,300 --> 02:29:54,020
define consciousness and then you ask

3764
02:29:56,710 --> 02:29:55,310
another one from an entirely different

3765
02:29:59,350 --> 02:29:56,720
discipline you're going to you're going

3766
02:30:02,530 --> 02:29:59,360
to get surprisingly varied responses

3767
02:30:04,540 --> 02:30:02,540
just with the simple question of you

3768
02:30:07,420 --> 02:30:04,550
know can you define consciousness if so

3769
02:30:11,050 --> 02:30:07,430
what is it we still don't know how we're

3770
02:30:13,450 --> 02:30:11,060
able to scratch our eyebrows you know we

3771
02:30:15,340 --> 02:30:13,460
don't we don't understand totally how

3772
02:30:18,490 --> 02:30:15,350
the conscious mind is able to manipulate

3773
02:30:21,880 --> 02:30:18,500
the reality around us in a physical way

3774
02:30:24,670 --> 02:30:21,890
let alone for instance a question that I

3775
02:30:26,770 --> 02:30:24,680
have here from poulterer's do you think

3776
02:30:29,469 --> 02:30:26,780
psychics really have a kind of

3777
02:30:31,390 --> 02:30:29,479
sensitivity unexplained by science if so

3778
02:30:34,960 --> 02:30:31,400
how come after so many years of

3779
02:30:36,760 --> 02:30:34,970
spiritual spiritualism etc there still

3780
02:30:38,320 --> 02:30:36,770
isn't much in the way of scientific

3781
02:30:41,080 --> 02:30:38,330
studies or even public awareness about

3782
02:30:43,840 --> 02:30:41,090
that you know I I do think there are

3783
02:30:45,719 --> 02:30:43,850
studies Dean Radin I know has done has

3784
02:30:48,700 --> 02:30:45,729
proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that

3785
02:30:51,100 --> 02:30:48,710
the subconscious mind is operating on an

3786
02:30:53,380 --> 02:30:51,110
extremely sophisticated level for

3787
02:30:55,870 --> 02:30:53,390
instance and in there's there's other

3788
02:30:58,960 --> 02:30:55,880
there's a the work of William roll and

3789
02:31:02,800 --> 02:30:58,970
JB Rhine of course your your remote

3790
02:31:04,540 --> 02:31:02,810
viewers but what do you think one do you

3791
02:31:05,530 --> 02:31:04,550
think psychics really have the

3792
02:31:08,280 --> 02:31:05,540
sensitivities

3793
02:31:11,020 --> 02:31:08,290
I we worked with some really good ones

3794
02:31:12,550 --> 02:31:11,030
yeah I mean you know one of the one of

3795
02:31:15,940 --> 02:31:12,560
the people that I just have to hand it

3796
02:31:17,350 --> 02:31:15,950
off to is Amy Allen and you know people

3797
02:31:18,790 --> 02:31:17,360
know her now because she has that show

3798
02:31:20,170 --> 02:31:18,800
on Travel Channel called the dead files

3799
02:31:22,330 --> 02:31:20,180
but we've been working with her for

3800
02:31:24,610 --> 02:31:22,340
years and we have been on several

3801
02:31:26,590 --> 02:31:24,620
investigations with her and you watch

3802
02:31:28,690 --> 02:31:26,600
this woman work and you see what she

3803
02:31:31,600 --> 02:31:28,700
actually accomplishes and it just leaves

3804
02:31:33,580 --> 02:31:31,610
no doubt and so you know can I convince

3805
02:31:35,320 --> 02:31:33,590
a skeptic of that no but you know come

3806
02:31:37,060 --> 02:31:35,330
along with us a few times and and

3807
02:31:39,730 --> 02:31:37,070
believe me you'll understand differently

3808
02:31:42,640 --> 02:31:39,740
I think that human beings have a vast

3809
02:31:44,920 --> 02:31:42,650
amount of senses that are undeveloped

3810
02:31:47,230 --> 02:31:44,930
and I think that psychic ability

3811
02:31:48,940 --> 02:31:47,240
certainly quantum physics is telling us

3812
02:31:51,580 --> 02:31:48,950
that everything exists simultaneously

3813
02:31:54,850 --> 02:31:51,590
it's also telling us that that you know

3814
02:31:57,160 --> 02:31:54,860
the quantum effect of one atom knowing

3815
02:32:00,340 --> 02:31:57,170
the actions of another atom even though

3816
02:32:03,810 --> 02:32:00,350
they're separated by by the speed of

3817
02:32:07,660 --> 02:32:03,820
light the quantum entanglement

3818
02:32:09,400 --> 02:32:07,670
yeah nonlocality all we have to do is

3819
02:32:11,830 --> 02:32:09,410
instead of being skeptical about it

3820
02:32:14,020 --> 02:32:11,840
let's talk about what we do know we know

3821
02:32:16,120 --> 02:32:14,030
about all those things okay we know that

3822
02:32:18,520 --> 02:32:16,130
they happen we know that they're real so

3823
02:32:22,080 --> 02:32:18,530
why is it such a stretch that some

3824
02:32:24,850 --> 02:32:22,090
people can tap into that on some kind of

3825
02:32:26,770 --> 02:32:24,860
level we call it psychic awareness but

3826
02:32:29,320 --> 02:32:26,780
is it really or is it just a way of

3827
02:32:31,150 --> 02:32:29,330
deepening our perception of what is

3828
02:32:32,920 --> 02:32:31,160
sitting right in front of our faces and

3829
02:32:35,140 --> 02:32:32,930
and then we call it that because not

3830
02:32:36,550 --> 02:32:35,150
everybody has the ability to do it but

3831
02:32:39,400 --> 02:32:36,560
when we accept the fact that all of

3832
02:32:42,130 --> 02:32:39,410
these phenomenons actually do exist then

3833
02:32:43,570 --> 02:32:42,140
it's not that difficult to accept the

3834
02:32:46,030 --> 02:32:43,580
fact that just like some people are born

3835
02:32:48,250 --> 02:32:46,040
to be fantastic athletes other people

3836
02:32:50,440 --> 02:32:48,260
are born with higher mental acuity xand

3837
02:32:52,930 --> 02:32:50,450
and other what we might call gifts and

3838
02:32:54,610 --> 02:32:52,940
abilities it just it's just not that

3839
02:32:56,530 --> 02:32:54,620
far-fetched and the people that are

3840
02:32:59,200 --> 02:32:56,540
still clinging to the idea that it's

3841
02:33:01,840 --> 02:32:59,210
impossible is it or that it's fufu or

3842
02:33:03,940 --> 02:33:01,850
that it's junk science they're just

3843
02:33:05,290 --> 02:33:03,950
they're just not informed they're not

3844
02:33:07,480 --> 02:33:05,300
paying attention to what we're already

3845
02:33:09,940 --> 02:33:07,490
learning is really happening and I don't

3846
02:33:11,440 --> 02:33:09,950
understand why there's a resistance to

3847
02:33:14,050 --> 02:33:11,450
this stuff you know we don't want to go

3848
02:33:15,460 --> 02:33:14,060
out and drink that you like as Chris

3849
02:33:17,290 --> 02:33:15,470
head I loved your phrase drink the true

3850
02:33:18,820 --> 02:33:17,300
believer kool-aid you know everything

3851
02:33:19,180 --> 02:33:18,830
that you and I have always done in the

3852
02:33:21,310 --> 02:33:19,190
film

3853
02:33:22,751 --> 02:33:21,320
we walk in just going okay prove

3854
02:33:24,761 --> 02:33:22,761
something to us or not and we're gonna

3855
02:33:28,060 --> 02:33:24,771
put it on a DVD and let people make up

3856
02:33:31,270 --> 02:33:28,070
their own minds but when that tonight

3857
02:33:32,980 --> 02:33:31,280
yeah yeah we're going to Jerome tonight

3858
02:33:35,381 --> 02:33:32,990
to do an investigation and we're living

3859
02:33:37,780 --> 02:33:35,391
in a psychic and now I understand this

3860
02:33:39,911 --> 02:33:37,790
is gonna be broadcast several days after

3861
02:33:41,950 --> 02:33:39,921
you go out there so maybe you won't come

3862
02:33:43,871 --> 02:33:41,960
back if you don't come back this will be

3863
02:33:45,940 --> 02:33:43,881
the last time that Ron James and Chris

3864
02:33:51,490 --> 02:33:45,950
O'Brien will be together on this

3865
02:33:54,480 --> 02:33:51,500
planetary dimension Chris and I

3866
02:33:57,310 --> 02:33:54,490
disappear in the Grand Hotel in Jerome

3867
02:34:00,490 --> 02:33:57,320
it was probably just somebody we filmed

3868
02:34:02,081 --> 02:34:00,500
getting really mad at us well there is

3869
02:34:03,400 --> 02:34:02,091
that I don't think we're gonna I don't

3870
02:34:07,230 --> 02:34:03,410
think we're gonna step through a portal

3871
02:34:11,440 --> 02:34:07,240
no well at least no I'm not gonna beg

3872
02:34:12,820 --> 02:34:11,450
I'm bringing my toothbrush we certainly

3873
02:34:14,110 --> 02:34:12,830
have had some how much time we have left

3874
02:34:15,341 --> 02:34:14,120
in the show you want to talk about some

3875
02:34:18,131 --> 02:34:15,351
of the stuff that happened to us at this

3876
02:34:19,530 --> 02:34:18,141
alley we've got about two minutes I'm

3877
02:34:24,251 --> 02:34:19,540
gonna show's over

3878
02:34:26,440 --> 02:34:24,261
yeah you know if you go to paranormal

3879
02:34:28,690 --> 02:34:26,450
Media Group calm there's a bunch of

3880
02:34:30,310 --> 02:34:28,700
films there but a dirty little secret is

3881
02:34:32,081 --> 02:34:30,320
a Chris and I produced pretty much every

3882
02:34:33,970 --> 02:34:32,091
one of them so for those of you been

3883
02:34:35,501 --> 02:34:33,980
listening to the show and know a lot

3884
02:34:37,411 --> 02:34:35,511
about what Chris has done this is a

3885
02:34:39,761 --> 02:34:37,421
whole other element that maybe you don't

3886
02:34:41,621 --> 02:34:39,771
but yeah there's a there's a bunch of

3887
02:34:45,190 --> 02:34:41,631
stuff on there it's all priced right and

3888
02:34:46,421 --> 02:34:45,200
you are our audience so we really want

3889
02:34:49,541 --> 02:34:46,431
to share these films with you and was

3890
02:34:51,280 --> 02:34:49,551
making it very very easy what about if

3891
02:34:55,020 --> 02:34:51,290
anyone in our audience has some

3892
02:34:58,751 --> 02:34:55,030
paranormal event that deserves coverage

3893
02:35:00,881 --> 02:34:58,761
can they contact you at the site yeah

3894
02:35:02,740 --> 02:35:00,891
well not so much through the site but

3895
02:35:06,190 --> 02:35:02,750
they can email Chris directly he is he

3896
02:35:07,780 --> 02:35:06,200
is a bonafide investigator so you know

3897
02:35:09,520 --> 02:35:07,790
we're certainly always got our eyes open

3898
02:35:14,921 --> 02:35:09,530
to stuff like that well we know where we

3899
02:35:20,081 --> 02:35:18,100
Sharon oh by the way Chris is also

3900
02:35:22,450 --> 02:35:20,091
working with a couple of our volunteers

3901
02:35:24,190 --> 02:35:22,460
in the forum and they'll get special

3902
02:35:26,501 --> 02:35:24,200
acknowledgment I think I'll get a couple

3903
02:35:29,110 --> 02:35:26,511
of official power cast t-shirts they're

3904
02:35:31,121 --> 02:35:29,120
putting together an all new version of

3905
02:35:32,210 --> 02:35:31,131
our strange planet so if you go to our

3906
02:35:34,250 --> 02:35:32,220
strange planet

3907
02:35:36,469 --> 02:35:34,260
come now you'll possibly see the older

3908
02:35:38,540 --> 02:35:36,479
version of the site but if you go there

3909
02:35:40,610 --> 02:35:38,550
in a week or two or maybe when you hear

3910
02:35:43,309 --> 02:35:40,620
this show it will be all-new

3911
02:35:45,889 --> 02:35:43,319
all-different it'll be a lot faster to

3912
02:35:48,229 --> 02:35:45,899
display a lot easier to navigate it's

3913
02:35:50,420 --> 02:35:48,239
just gonna be a much better place and

3914
02:35:52,370 --> 02:35:50,430
we're gonna have the live camera feed

3915
02:35:54,320 --> 02:35:52,380
from the family's value camera project

3916
02:35:56,570 --> 02:35:54,330
okay I've seen the feed by the way we're

3917
02:35:59,150 --> 02:35:56,580
working on a way to present this to

3918
02:36:00,679 --> 02:35:59,160
stream it so most of you can see it and

3919
02:36:02,840 --> 02:36:00,689
I guess the big thing is compatibility

3920
02:36:05,030 --> 02:36:02,850
so you can watch on your Mac your PC

3921
02:36:07,309 --> 02:36:05,040
your Linux computer see it on your

3922
02:36:09,590 --> 02:36:07,319
iPhone see it on your iPad on your

3923
02:36:12,320 --> 02:36:09,600
Android phone on your Windows Phone like

3924
02:36:14,389 --> 02:36:12,330
the Nokia Lumia 900 that we talked about

3925
02:36:17,030 --> 02:36:14,399
on the tech show this week so that's

3926
02:36:19,760 --> 02:36:17,040
gonna be coming it's our strange planet

3927
02:36:22,429 --> 02:36:19,770
calm and by the way you can find us at

3928
02:36:24,950 --> 02:36:22,439
the Peres cast com our forums and

3929
02:36:26,960 --> 02:36:24,960
everything the past episodes and by the

3930
02:36:30,170 --> 02:36:26,970
way on iTunes they only list 300

3931
02:36:32,900 --> 02:36:30,180
episodes okay that's the limitation but

3932
02:36:35,120 --> 02:36:32,910
all the remaining episodes through 2006

3933
02:36:38,719 --> 02:36:35,130
are available at the para cast com on

3934
02:36:42,080 --> 02:36:38,729
Twitter we are the para cast a special

3935
02:36:42,769 --> 02:36:42,090
thank you to Ron James a conscious media

3936
02:36:44,750 --> 02:36:42,779
producer

3937
02:36:54,819 --> 02:36:44,760
Thank You Ron for joining us on the para

3938
02:37:01,369 --> 02:36:58,340
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3939
02:37:04,239 --> 02:37:01,379
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3940
02:37:07,969 --> 02:37:04,249
presentation of making the impossible